Re: flex-users list

2012-06-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Rick, On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: > ...Whatever capacity is wanted / needed... official or just someone > trying to help out on flex-users. BTW, I am not currently a > committer... I can't access the whimsy link ah ok, so just subscribe to that list and you can h

Re: flex-users list

2012-06-19 Thread Rick Winscot
Bertrand, Whatever capacity is wanted / needed... official or just someone trying to help out on flex-users. BTW, I am not currently a committer... I can't access the whimsy link. Cheers, Rick Winscot On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:28 P

Re: flex-users list

2012-06-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: > I'd be happy to help moderate flex-users ... As in http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate ? If so you can just create an issue, similar to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4792 FWIW, the current moderators are li

flex-users list

2012-06-19 Thread Rick Winscot
I'd be happy to help moderate flex-users ... R

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
> From: Peter Elst [mailto:peter.e...@gmail.com] > > We have several threads of this discussion going along with a vote, propose > we all reference to this thread: > > http://markmail.org/message/6nkpqaj72jn33ycx > > - Peter I'm not sure that needs to be the case. The point of this discussion i

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
We have several threads of this discussion going along with a vote, propose we all reference to this thread: http://markmail.org/message/6nkpqaj72jn33ycx - Peter

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:jef...@dot-com-it.com] > > In my version of the world; the Flex-Dev list is for the development of the > SDK; and the flex-user list is for the support of it. Agreed.

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/12/2012 1:10 PM, Sebastian Mohr wrote: Before moving forward, I want be clear with the other PPMCs about the purpose of the flex-users list. In my version of the world; the Flex-Dev list is for the development of the SDK; and the flex-user list is for the support of it. -- Jeffry

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
tech support, > I'm happy to withdraw my negative vote. > > - Peter I agree that it should not have anything to do with Adobe Flex, but purely for Apache Flex. I also think that discussions on the flex-users list will probably be very limited initially being that there'

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
> That's why coding practice discussions should happen on the dev list. +1 on that - Peter

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
> Thanks, seems like enough lazy consensus (3+ support) for me to go ahead > and request the list be created. Bertrand, can you "mentor" me on the > process, please? > This is just a question about process, don't want to block this but would a -1 not be considered a veto? As long as we're not loo

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/12/12 9:47 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" wrote: > From my point of view the flex-users list could > also handle technical discussions. Yes it handles technical discussion, but I believe the distinction is whether the subject is relevant to making changes to the source and asset

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Sebastian Mohr
st to get the list created. > > - Doug Before moving forward, I want be clear with the other PPMCs about the purpose of the flex-users list. This is a fairly basic decision which most PPMCs should be happy with. From my point of view, the flex-users list could also handle technical discussions.

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:jef...@dot-com-it.com] > > I personally don't think we lose anything by creating the list now. > So, I'll +1 the idea of creating it and I'll offer to moderate it. Thanks, seems like enough lazy consensus (3+ support) for me to go ahead and request the list be cre

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Jeffry Houser
I personally don't think we lose anything by creating the list now. So, I'll +1 the idea of creating it and I'll offer to moderate it. On 1/12/2012 12:54 PM, Douglas Arthur wrote: From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] I should have phrased that differently: if some (say

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] > I should have phrased that differently: if some (say at least 3) PPMC > members think it's a good idea to have a users mailing list now, and > agree to moderate it, I'd say let's create it. > > If those PPMC members then spend their day

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Sebastian Mohr
@Bertrand IMHO ... I would it give a +1 (binding) But at first, I want be clear with the other PPMCs about the purpose of the flex-users list. From my point of view the flex-users list could also handle technical discussions. @PPMCs ... any thoughts? -- Sebastian On Jan 12, 2012, at 6

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...If the PPMC thinks we should have a flex-us...@incubator.apache.org > list now I have no problem with that, but we need a few volunteers out > of the PPMC (I'd say 3) who agree to be moderators for that list I should have phras

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
> @Peter and @Bertrand > > > IMHO, I am seeing good points to move certain discussions currently taken > place > on the flex-dev list to the flex-users list. I respectfully disagree, but that might be my idea of what the flex-user mailing list would be for - i.e. support quest

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Sebastian Mohr
@Peter and @Bertrand Due to the following reason would prefer to open up the flex-users list sooner: http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.flex-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.flex-dev+page:4+mid:6nkpqaj72jn33ycx+state:results IMHO, I am seeing good points to move

RE: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Douglas Arthur
> From: Anne Kathrine Petterøe [mailto:yoji...@gmail.com] > > I am willing to moderate the list. (if or when it happens) Same here, I'm willing to moderate whenever everyone decides it's a good time. I still don't see why creating it now is an issue. I recognize it won't get traffic, but it'll

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Rui Silva
+1 Matthew Poole wrote: > Perhaps we need to have something on the project site that says the user > list is coming soon. In the mean time use Adobe forums/flex coders etc > Seems a good middle term solution. Rui

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Anne Kathrine Petterøe
I am willing to moderate the list. (if or when it happens) - Anne On 12 January 2012 13:28, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Michael Schmalle > wrote: >> ...The problem I see though is committers want to commit code so getting >> bogged >> down moderating a user l

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > ...The problem I see though is committers want to commit code so getting > bogged > down moderating a user list right now is probably going to be hard for some > swallow time wise. > > Can community members be moderators but not committer

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Matthew Poole
>> we'd be best to direct them to the Adobe forums or another resource That makses sense. I mention defering the users list idea purely for the eventualoty that we'll spend lots of time answering posts with a link to other commuinties. I might become a burden. Perhaps we need to have something on

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Matthew Poole : proactive now will prevent flooding the dev list with user questions... I'm not for or against this right now but Matthew brings a good point of why to do this sooner than later (if it's going to happen anyway). The problem I see though is committers want to commit

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Csomák Gábor
i think the flexcoders (yahoo group) mailing list is already a good list. there are a few of us there. we could orient users there. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Matthew Poole wrote: > Perhaps we should review the situation. If the dev list becomes the defacto > users list before the first re

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
> Perhaps we should review the situation. If the dev list becomes the defacto > users list before the first release then we will still end up with the "are > we there yet" questions in the wrong forum. > I see what your saying but at this point there's nothing really "users" need to be here for I

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Matthew Poole
Perhaps we should review the situation. If the dev list becomes the defacto users list before the first release then we will still end up with the "are we there yet" questions in the wrong forum. We are not seeing that yet so we could defer the decision. On the flip side we could accept that users

re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Rui Silva
-1 > > ---Any reason why we don't request this list now? If not, Bertrand, with your help I'm willing to request it because regardless of other channels of communication, I agree with setting up a flex-user mailing list... > Personally I wouldn't do it until we have an actual Apache Flex rele

Re: Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Peter Elst
> If the PPMC thinks we should have a flex-us...@incubator.apache.org > list now I have no problem with that, but we need a few volunteers out > of the PPMC (I'd say 3) who agree to be moderators for that list. Personally I would vote to wait with a users list until there is a first release, jus

Do we want a flex-users list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?

2012-01-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Douglas Arthur wrote: >> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] >> Note that we can get a flex-user list just by asking, we just need to have >> volunteers from the PPMC to moderate it and create a JIRA issue for our >> infra team. >> > ---Any r