There are a couple of Flash API on JS engines already (Jangaroo,
EaselJS, Shumway, more...).
Porting to another language, I'd suggest a JS compiler like Traceur or
TypeScript. You might even be able to use Jangaroo's AS3->JS compiler to
bootstrap the conversion in the short term (it'd still be
on where things are
graphically intensive.
Tangent
-Original Message-
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosm...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:47 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: To AS4 or not
> regarding the gaming strategy i don't see why Adobe would add
a
essage-
From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:22 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
If you need accessibility on desktop, you can rely on current runtime if you
need new runtime for next mobile targets, do we still h
Gordon
-Original Message-
From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:35 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
Thanks Gordon for you answers,
"but you'd have to rewrite it even if the new VM ran AS3 because t
port the Flex framework if the new runtime doesn't
support things like accessibility that RIAs need?
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: Tianzhen Lin [mailto:tang...@usa.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:10 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: To AS4 or not
I cannot w
t; - Gordon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tianzhen Lin [mailto:tang...@usa.net]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:10 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: To AS4 or not
>
> I cannot wait to see the specs of AS4, and love to help out porting Flex
- Original Message --
Received: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:02:44 PM EDT
From: Gordon Smith
To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: RE: To AS4 or not
> > Is it a stupide idea to use Falcon to transcode from AS3 to AS4 and
> > then
compile AS4 with adobes compiler? (if we emu
--
Received: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:02:44 PM EDT
From: Gordon Smith
To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: RE: To AS4 or not
> > Is it a stupide idea to use Falcon to transcode from AS3 to AS4 and then
compile AS4 with adobes compiler? (if we emulate or drop the native features
that
mail.com [mailto:carlos.rov...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Carlos Rovira
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:12 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)
Alex, Gordon,
when we could get more info about AS4? I think this new version of the language
and the new ve
Whether it is realistic, given the lack of people
volunteering to work on the compiler, is questionable in my mind.
- Gordon
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From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:35 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re
]
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM
>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alex, co
VM is not designed to run AS3.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
and using Falcon to compile AS3 to generate new VM bytecode?
is it more re
Jeez, here we go again - uncertainty part 2
On 20 Oct 2012 00:15, "Alex Harui" wrote:
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>
>
> On 10/19/12 3:55 PM, "charles.monte...@gmail.com"
> wrote:
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> >
>
> This now getting troubling if people are representing things correctly. Are
> > all current flex based mobile apps doomed ?
>
> When
On 10/19/12 3:55 PM, "charles.monte...@gmail.com"
wrote:
>
This now getting troubling if people are representing things correctly. Are
> all current flex based mobile apps doomed ?
When is AS4 due? Do we know for
> sure when the new vm's will cut out support for As 3 which is required for
om my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device
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From: "sébastien Paturel"
To:
Subject: To AS4 or not
Date: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 6:02 pm
So the only way to make flex run on the new VM is to rewrite the SDK
code, and with no easy way to do so?
Do you know if the next AIR ru
time will only work for AS4?
Sorry, I don't know the plans for AIR.
- Gordon
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From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:02 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
So the only way to make flex
-Original Message-
From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
and using Falcon to compile AS3 to generate new VM bytecode?
is it more realistic to achieve?
Le 19/10/2012 20:54
I think this would be difficult as the new VM is not designed to run AS3.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not
and using Falcon to compile
il.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:53 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)
Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ?
Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible to
adapt Falcon to target the new VM?
e been hearing some other stuff that might
make it harder.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.
for
us and it isn't trivial. ActionScript is more complex than MXML.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: João Fernandes [mailto:joaopedromartinsfernan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:53 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
I've seen the final spec. It should be easier to transcode AS4 to other
languages, compared with AS3.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (wa
On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes"
wrote:
> Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ?
Sure, but I think it will be a lot of work, for little gain. I'm waiting
for the final AS4 spec. It might be harder to transcode it to other
languages than AS3.
--
Alex Har
Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ?
Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible
to adapt Falcon to target the new VM?
I'm now using JSF implementation Primefaces. It internally uses JQuery
UI and JQuery Theme Roller. I think both frameworks are probably more
low level than ExtJS & Sencha and may be better candidates for
renderer layer in js.
http://jqueryui.com/
http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/
Both of these fra
On 10/19/12 8:30 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote:
>
> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>
Agreed. And maybe an API layer over Dart will work, but I doubt full Sencha
will be in the picture. ExtJS?
On 10/19/12 5:10 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote:
> The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to
> AS4 ?
Significant. AS4 has made no promise to be backward compatible with AS3.
> It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3
> right?
I think
I don't think Adobe has publicly disclosed details about AS4 yet, so I'll just
say that there are significant changes from AS3. However, porting Flex would
probably involve more work in adapting to the new runtime APIs than in adapting
to the new language.
Also, the AS4 compiler will not be ope
I m not a fan of JS. But what would be the benefit ? Acceptance.
You have more JS devs out there then ActionScript ones. You target JS
devs you target millions and millions of Devs.
Look at Node.js success
Even the java folks understood that the more language target the JVM the
better for the p
But they never will :)
This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does
already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try.
Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit :
It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
On 19 October 2012 2
It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu wrote:
> But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give
> a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
>
> On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec
> wrote
But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give
a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec wrote:
> Hello
>
> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
Hello
I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
a proprietary tool like Sencha.
Stefan Horochovec
2012/10/19 jun wu
> Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
> Touch?
> If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes i
Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
Touch?
If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash builder
and public them as as/flex apps.
And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code line
by line.
On 19 October 2012 21:49
"rewriting a Flex-like framework" easy to say but hard to do.
And its irrelevant in the Flex mailing list. We discuss what Flex should
become, not what should be done to replace it.
You should ask, "has someone considered transcoding flex to Dart?"
Le 19/10/2012 14:49, João Saleiro a écrit :
I
What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
"But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
"ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
that's not a p
Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to
target Flash !
People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that
compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
applications for the Flash platform.
The Flash player is not the
I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
controls among other interesting stuff. Take a look at
The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to
AS4 ?
It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3
right?
I don't understand, what you mean in fact.
Is the work required is about to target stage3D by using starling2D as a
rendering layer? or is
I think we only could evaluate AS4 when Adobe share more info about
flash player next. Things like accesibility, localization, and others
are key for Flex. Hope that info could be shared soon and hope as well
internacionalization will be focus since I think is important in
gamming too.
2012/10/19
On 10/18/12 4:14 PM, "Om" wrote:
>
> I dont quite get the pessimism here. I am in fact glad that Adobe stopped
> working on Flex and is concentrating more on the Virtual Machine and AS
> language enhancements. Isnt that what we all wanted?
>
>
Flash in AVM1 and AVM2 had all of the pieces
>Even around AVM1 time, Flash Player was mostly known for games, intro sites
>and splash screens. That dint prevent me or several others companies from
>pushing Flash Player and build >shipping enterprise applications.
Right, they did. So, if the new AVM takes off and becomes popular, we are in
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
> Quoting "Michael A. Labriola" **:
>
> How exactly would a company using Flex start using the new VM if it does
>>> not support Flex? As long as they use Flex, they would still be using AVM2.
>>>
>>
>> What I mean is that Flash Player's p
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