Re: State of the Project

2012-01-26 Thread jude
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 1/23/12 3:00 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > > > I think the tension here is justified. Many people waited for a long > > time to work on things and the expectations are high. Right now a lot > > of requests and questions that the p

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Doug Arthur
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi Greg, > >> Sort of. I wouldn't mind if patches are submitted to the mailing list until >> Jira is ready. > I did submit a patch to the mailing list but was told a) JIRA was the correct > place and b) hold off until the Adobe JIRA bugs ha

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Doug Arthur
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Thanks for the info esp re lobbying committers on the list. > > I certainly meant no disrespect to Alex or anyone else who has put lots of > hard work into getting this project this far. No worries, was not my intent to imply y

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi Doug, Thanks for the info esp re lobbying committers on the list. I certainly meant no disrespect to Alex or anyone else who has put lots of hard work into getting this project this far. Thanks, Justin

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi Greg, > Sort of. I wouldn't mind if patches are submitted to the mailing list until > Jira is ready. I did submit a patch to the mailing list but was told a) JIRA was the correct place and b) hold off until the Adobe JIRA bugs have been imported and then resubmit my patch. I'm fine to wait a

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Doug Arthur
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi Greg, > >> Nope, sorry. You have to be a committer to be able to commit to the >> whiteboard. You can, however, submit patches in Jira. > > Understand. So what's the best way for non committers to submit unit tests, > code samples showing

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Greg Reddin
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi Greg, > >> Nope, sorry. You have to be a committer to be able to commit to the >> whiteboard. You can, however, submit patches in Jira. > > Understand. So what's the best way for non committers to submit unit tests, > code samples showing

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi Greg, > Nope, sorry. You have to be a committer to be able to commit to the > whiteboard. You can, however, submit patches in Jira. Understand. So what's the best way for non committers to submit unit tests, code samples showing issues or new ideas not all of these things belong in JIRA. Peo

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> You can work on the code in Carol's whiteboard, or do just about > anything > >> you want in your own whiteboard. You can discuss just about anything. > > > > Isn't that only true

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Greg Reddin
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: >> You can work on the code in Carol's whiteboard, or do just about anything >> you want in your own whiteboard.  You can discuss just about anything. > > Isn't that only true for current committers? I asked this yesterday but no > one answere

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > You can work on the code in Carol's whiteboard, or do just about anything > you want in your own whiteboard. You can discuss just about anything. Isn't that only true for current committers? I asked this yesterday but no one answered. Is there any way for current non committers to have co

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/23/12 12:42 PM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > On 24/01/2012 05:03, Alex Harui wrote: >> Yes, there can be separate branches and release. > > Then that should be mentioned in the "versioning" thread, shouldn't it? > It has been mentioned in past versioning threads. >> IMHO, Apache is more

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 24/01/2012 05:03, Alex Harui wrote: Yes, there can be separate branches and release. Then that should be mentioned in the "versioning" thread, shouldn't it? IMHO, Apache is more about what actually happens, not so much about promises and visions and missions. The missions can get changed,

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Greg Reddin
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > IMHO, Apache is more about what actually happens, not so much about promises > and visions and missions.  The missions can get changed, forked, killed, > whatever.  It all depends on who actually gets something done. You nailed it Alex! An Apac

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/23/12 11:56 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > If there are multiple missions, will there be separate releases? Yes, there can be separate branches and release. > Even with multiple missions: Each mission should be properly defined. > Its really hard to hit something without aiming. IMHO, A

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 24/01/2012 03:30, Alex Harui wrote: You can work on the code in Carol's whiteboard, or do just about anything you want in your own whiteboard. You can discuss just about anything. That is not the point: if some things are not going to make it anyway into flex because it will not be donated a

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/23/12 11:04 AM, "Keith Sutton" wrote: > If automation and SDK 3.6 (as two examples) are considered critical by > the project to it's health and success within the ecosystem/industry > then how is Apache Flex going to influence the decision makers at Adobe? I don't think the issue here is

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Keith Sutton
Having the vision/mission worked out is important to any project moving forward however it is also important to have (or be aware of) the necessary resources and support needed for success. Some of the necessary pieces sometimes go beyond the code into the platform/ecosystem/community/industry.

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/23/12 3:00 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > I think the tension here is justified. Many people waited for a long > time to work on things and the expectations are high. Right now a lot > of requests and questions that the people have could be avoided if we > had some certainties: > >

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Rick Winscot
The odd number = dev / test release is a fairly well established approach... I'm down with that. -- Rick Winscot On Monday, January 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, David Arno wrote: > > From: Rick Winscot [mailto:rick.wins...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 23 January 2012 15:32 > > Is there anything that preve

RE: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread David Arno
> From: Rick Winscot [mailto:rick.wins...@gmail.com] > Sent: 23 January 2012 15:32 > Is there anything that prevents us from calling the first build out the door > a 'Release Candidate?' Then in Jira... adding a line item / known issue > logged against it to get automation working? "Release can

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Rick Winscot
Is there anything that prevents us from calling the first build out the door a 'Release Candidate?' Then in Jira... adding a line item / known issue logged against it to get automation working? -- Rick Winscot On Monday, January 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Frédéric Thomas wrote: > David, > > Ori

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Frédéric Thomas
David, Originally, the plan was to make a first Apache release for testing purposes, not for production, with or without changes/bugfixes, right ? Then, apart from the fact that one can do w/o RSLs and Automation, at the moment, we are still waiting for Mustella, I do not think we can release

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
What you are describing is a alpha/beta/pre-release/ something not-finished. Concrete version numbers without that statement would be widely considered "finished" and usable. yours Martin. On 23/01/2012 21:23, El Koro wrote: From: "David Arno" It is Apache Flex that risks the bad PR if

RE: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread David Arno
> From: El Koro [mailto:k...@noos.fr] > Sent: 23 January 2012 12:24 > > David, I think there is a misunderstanding here. > As it has been discussed previously, the goal of the first release (4.7 or > 4.8 or 4.2012 or ... ) would be like a practice release for the project, > not a "look world, her

Re: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread El Koro
From: "David Arno" It is Apache Flex that risks the bad PR if 4.7 is released too early. David. David, I think there is a misunderstanding here. As it has been discussed previously, the goal of the first release (4.7 or 4.8 or 4.2012 or ... ) would be like a practice release for the project,

RE: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread David Arno
> From: Giorgio Natili [mailto:g.nat...@gnstudio.com] > Sent: 23 January 2012 11:44 >>There is a difficult line to walk between the bad PR of a too-early >>release and the community losing interest if it takes too long. Again >>it would be useful to try and reach a consensus on this. Maybe it's

RE: State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread David Arno
> From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] > Sent: 23 January 2012 11:00 > I think this sort of questions are important right now as the lack of answers > seem to agitate the group and throttle the motivation. > I also think that these questions need to be answered by the Project tea

State of the Project

2012-01-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
I think the tension here is justified. Many people waited for a long time to work on things and the expectations are high. Right now a lot of requests and questions that the people have could be avoided if we had some certainties: * What can we work on/discuss about? As far as I know A