I think the tension here is justified. Many people waited for a long time to work on things and the expectations are high. Right now a lot of requests and questions that the people have could be avoided if we had some certainties:

  * What can we work on/discuss about?
As far as I know Adobe doesn't know the full list of things that will be donated, but I guess there is a list of things about which Adobe officials are already certain about. For example: Flex Builder will not be donated. " The current MXMLC compiler will be donated but we are stuck with svn technicalities." If there was a list on what will definitely be donated together with an anticipated time-frame and the current status then we had better clarity
     about what can, reasonably, be talked about.

  * What is Apache Flex about?
To me a clear mission statement that describes what the aim of the flex project is, is long overdue. Is this a project to maintain and improve a currently available API? Or is not API specific at all and does the Flex Platform want to provide a solution for dealing with problems like "easy to use system for RIAs", "cross platform deployment", ...

This could also be a little more detailed by stating things like "Fixed API per major version", "well documented", etc.
     It would give people a reference in conversations.

In the example of "well documented": "I want to create a new documentation logic. Because I think the current system does not harmonize with the goal 13). My problems with the current documentation are A) B) C)".

* How and when can we "document" feature/bug/fix requests? I have read mailing-list entries like "Jira is ready" and the Jira bug tracker is available for public use. However people restrain because they want Adobes Jira to be imported before
     that. So: Does that make Jira: "not ready"?

I think this sort of questions are important right now as the lack of answers seem to agitate the group and throttle the motivation. I also think that these questions need to be answered by the Project team and not the community.

yours
Martin.

On 23/01/2012 18:38, David Arno wrote:
From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
Sent: 23 January 2012 09:30
Please stay polite and mindful of others, ok? This is NOT a constructive
way to have a discussion, and will do your case more harm then good.
There's a time and place to constrain oneself to politeness. Adobe's
continuing incompetent handling of Flex takes us outside of that. I fail to
see how we can have constructive discussions about this topic until Adobe
sort out all the "legal technicalities" that keep springing up at random and
causing us so many potential problems.

David.



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