Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Dave Fisher
Bertrand's post is much better than the similar in substance one that I composed but had not edited last night. I can say from experience that [1] is well worth watching. I really like how this community self-innoculates. Regards, Dave On Nov 16, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 4:15 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > It looks like I won't spend more time on Flex. Feel free to remove me. IMO, you earned your way in, and even if you can't be active in the near future, who knows what a more distant future will hold. Committer-hood, once earned, does not expire

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
It looks like I won't spend more time on Flex. Feel free to remove me. Yours Martin Heidegger On 16 Nov 2012, at 19:20, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote: >> ...I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending >> one emai

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > ...I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending > one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial > sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy If the PPMC wants

Committers vs. PMC members, and non-code committers (was: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members)

2012-11-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola wrote: > ...What about people who present, write about or educate on Flex? Worked on > getting/keeping Flex inside > of corporations during our transition time to Apache? People raising > awareness... you get the point... I totally agree tha

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Om
> > > If I recall correctly, we've only not elevated directly to PMC in a small > handful of occasions, when the new committers had not yet actually > contributed patches but were working on big code grants/contributions to > the project. I believe it was encouraged and most people were voted > dir

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Alex Harui
> > Am I wrong here? Glad we're keeping some mentors around for these > discussions, maybe they can chime in a little bit here. > > -Omar The mentors have seen the table of member activity, and proposed that we copy what Stanbol did in terms of pinging inactive members, and that had a relativel

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Om wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola < > labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > > > >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's > > >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do > > >pros

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Om
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's > >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do > >prospective committers, don't you? > > Well, to be fair, I s

RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do >prospective committers, don't you? Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too... What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it onl

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Carol Frampton
On 11/15/12 4 :44PM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do >prospective committers, don't you? I don't think it works that way. Once you're a committer you're in, except

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: > Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's > fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do > prospective committers, don't you? > > EdB > > I remember a mentor saying you have to do something pre

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Erik de Bruin
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do prospective committers, don't you? EdB On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote: > > > On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" > > wrote: > > >I for

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Carol Frampton
On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending >one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial >sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy. > >How about the previously inacti

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Erik de Bruin
I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than sending one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the initial sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy. How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC members write

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Michael Jordan
I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation. Thanks, Michael Michael Jordan Accessibility Engineer Adobe 781.839.1517x31517 (tel) 617.347.9154 (cell) mijor...@adobe.com 21 Hickory Drive Waltham, MA, 02451 USA blogs.adobe.com/accessibility O

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Sugan Naicker wrote: > ...Please keep me on the list... As AFAIK you're not a committer I imagine you're asking to stay subscribed to this list - that's not the issue. Alex was just talking about who from the http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html list

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > ...there is a chance some higher authority at Apache will remove you In theory yes, in practice this is extremely unlikely. Technically you're right that it's the ASF board of directors who approves the creation of a project and its list o

RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Sugan Naicker
ui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: 14 November 2012 09:44 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members Hi, In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the projec

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
nesday, November 14, 2012 2:44 PM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members > > Hi, > > In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. > Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation f

RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-14 Thread Michelle Yaiser
rg Subject: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members Hi, In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the project's PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our team list at [

List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
Hi, In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC members. Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation from the project’s PMC. Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails from our team list at [1]. Here is the list of folks who never got their Apa