Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 28/02/2012 09:09, Alex Harui wrote: If the goal is WYSIWYG printing, I would think there would be some popular (but maybe not perfect) strategies or groups trying to figure it out, especially for the HTML/JS stack. I am not sure how you get "WYSIWYG" printing? The problem of the real units c

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Duane Nickull
On 12-02-27 10:16 PM, "jude" wrote: >IMHO I wouldn't invest more time in themes. +1 If I had to prioritize work, I think I would put the bugs first. Would anyone be interested in a Vancouver, BC bug squashing/coding weekend (maybe Whistler - ski & squash & beers)? If so, I am happy to host.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread jude
IMHO I wouldn't invest more time in themes. How is it that hey can change behavior or break your app by switching between them. Specifically because when I went from the mx theme to the Spark theme features, styles and behavior I was expecting to be there wasn't. In took a lot to upgrade an app to

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
Email: arielj...@yahoo.com Phone: 650-690-2213 Fax: 650-641-0031 Cell: 650-823-8699 From: Erik Lundgren To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design 27 feb 2012 kl. 23.18 skrev Alex

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/27/12 3:56 PM, "Erik Lundgren" wrote: > I really don't have a good strategy. The browser or the player doesn't expose > the low level apis. If you can't do it programatic you would need to maintain > some sort of device library. If you don't want to do that maybe you should > employ some

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Erik Lundgren
28 feb 2012 kl. 00.44 skrev Alex Harui: > But allowing different units in CSS and trying our best to get a better sense > of the density might still be worth it. I really don't have a good strategy. The browser or the player doesn't expose the low level apis. If you can't do it programatic you

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/27/12 2:58 PM, "Erik Lundgren" wrote: > > 27 feb 2012 kl. 23.18 skrev Alex Harui: > >> Let's assume it won't be fixed but you may be able to get a rough, but not >> exact idea of resolution/density via other means (JS, ANE). > > I've researched this all day and I cant find any cross br

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Erik Lundgren
27 feb 2012 kl. 23.18 skrev Alex Harui: > Let's assume it won't be fixed but you may be able to get a rough, but not > exact idea of resolution/density via other means (JS, ANE). I've researched this all day and I cant find any cross browser js api that allows you to break out of the 96 ppi ab

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/27/12 2:09 PM, "Erik Lundgren" wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Still pondering the possibilities for FLEX if we could have correct ppi > values. Do you know if the runtime team are investigating these issues? > > I read in Adobe Jira [1] that Flash Player bug has been marked NeverFix. That's a

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Erik Lundgren
27 feb 2012 kl. 08.50 skrev Alex Harui: > Current Flash Player always reports 72dpi on desktop. I think that might > change in some future player. Hi Alex, Still pondering the possibilities for FLEX if we could have correct ppi values. Do you know if the runtime team are investigating these

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-27 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 27/02/2012 08:02, Erik Lundgren wrote: We don't target the html/css stack yet. But we want to. So i think it is important to count it in as soon as possible. CSS rendering of "real world units" seems stable but does not work exactly the way you would expect. CSS user agents assumes a 96 pp

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/26/12 11:38 PM, "jude" wrote: > > I think Adobe investigated this real world units. I don't know what > happened with it. It might have been part of the Flex Mobile SDK. BTW Was > that donated and if so Alex? Mobile SDK was donated. Current Flash Player always reports 72dpi on desktop.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread jude
I like the real world units idea. I don't know what it would involve to apply it across the framework. Would it replace the use of setting to px or compliment it? Would you go by millimeters or inches? I think Adobe investigated this real world units. I don't know what happened with it. It might h

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread Erik Lundgren
26 feb 2012 kl. 22.59 skrev Martin Heidegger: > real world units are no problem in css/javascript allowing "cm". We don't target the html/css stack yet. But we want to. So i think it is important to count it in as soon as possible. CSS rendering of "real world units" seems stable but does not

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > Hello Erik, > > real world units are no problem in css/javascript allowing "cm". In Flex > the problem is that the Flash Player does not offer proper DPI (as you > mentioned). That means we need "workarounds" it can be implemented within >

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello Erik, real world units are no problem in css/javascript allowing "cm". In Flex the problem is that the Flash Player does not offer proper DPI (as you mentioned). That means we need "workarounds" it can be implemented within the Web using ExternalInterface - a JavaScript bridge. It can be

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-26 Thread Erik Lundgren
Dear list, I would like to spend some time thinking about the "high level" concepts in flex – the present and the not yet present. As I scribble in my notebooks my first halt seems to be the methodology used for UI-measurement, and I need some community input: Should Flex measure layouts in "

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread David Francis Buhler
I suppose my biggest issue is with the Zen theme and the Wood theme. They seem so silly; perhaps more gimmicky than they should be given the typical use-cases for [Adobe] Flex. Each client I've had used Flex for Transactional Software except 1. Most of the projects [except 1], have built internal-

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread David Francis Buhler
colorschemedesigner uses the same approach as Johannes Itten's color theory, suggesting the use of various percentages of complementary colors, which is an improvement over Kuler. Pretty Cool. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 26/02/2012 03:11, David Francis Buhler wro

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Nice work Jude I very much disagree with David here, though I totally understand the desire. It takes much too much time to do a good skin or theme. Note that there isn't a single complete spark skin available for public purchase yet and the spark architecture has been out for a couple of years n

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
My thoughts are -- it depends on the application. The existing themes are great if you are doing a lot of forms based 'screens'. I don't have a designer on my team, and I most likely never will get one. My apps are used by professions that like good usability and a good clean layout -- that is o

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 26/02/2012 03:11, David Francis Buhler wrote: My own personal preference would be to remove the current themes (both MX and Spark) from the SDK. This includes the Cobalt theme, Zen theme, etc. I would stick with the "Wireframe" theme for Spark controls. Not remove: extract to a public compon

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread David Francis Buhler
My own personal preference would be to remove the current themes (both MX and Spark) from the SDK. This includes the Cobalt theme, Zen theme, etc. I would stick with the "Wireframe" theme for Spark controls. In doing so, we remove the obvious visual impression of a "Flex Application", and encourage

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 17:59, Haykel BEN JEMIA wrote: I think the first step should be to create new skins for the current Spark components. Designers could make designs for them (ideally using a tool that enables export to FXG like Illustrator) and then developers can create skins out of them. Haykel

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-25 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
Like this idea. Ariel Jakobovits ajako...@adobe.com 650-350-0282 On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Daniel Reicher wrote: > Another approach may be to build themes that closely follow the UI/UX > guidelines of the native environments: Android ICS and iOS as initial > targets and adding components to

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-24 Thread David Francis Buhler
I agree with this approach. http://scalenine.com/gallery/ had tried something similar. I think they would have been more successful if they had a more complete and consistent offering (such as a FaceBook theme). On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Daniel Reicher wrote: > Another approach may be to

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-24 Thread Daniel Reicher
Another approach may be to build themes that closely follow the UI/UX guidelines of the native environments: Android ICS and iOS as initial targets and adding components to meet those specs: Scrollable Tabs, Seek Bars/Sliders, Progress Bar, Dialog, Toasts, Grid Lists, etc. This would *theoreticall

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread David Francis Buhler
The Android Design site appears to have a Creative Commons license. Perhaps their license provides a foundation for us to begin? On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 24/02/2012 01:38, David Francis Buhler wrote: > >> Android has a highly organized, hierarchical approach

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Randy Troppmann
2012/2/23 jude : >> This would be great. I've been working on some things like this. I've >> created skins for OSX like scrollbars [1], a throw button [2] and skins for >> search text input (I'll have to post it). >> Nice work Jude.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
Apache does not "employ" anyone. If you are a designer or know a designer that wants to help: It is a great thing to contribute this sort of things. However: Please use a new thread for that topic. I started this thread to find new ideas for the next flex user interface. yours Martin. On 24/0

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Ben Dalton
I second the idea of putting together a bit of a styleguide for people to use when building applications... maybe a combination of best practices and examples for what you can do with the framework. I also would encourage us to employ some talented developer/designers to create a new default spark

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 24/02/2012 01:38, David Francis Buhler wrote: Android has a highly organized, hierarchical approach to their UI Design, [1] http://developer.android.com/design/index.html A awesome resource for touch based design! Thanks. yours Martin.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread David Francis Buhler
Android has a highly organized, hierarchical approach to their UI Design, Get Started -Creative Vision -Design Principles -UI Overview Style -Devices and Displays -Themes -Touch Feedback -Metrics and Grids -Typography -Color -Iconography -Writing Style Patterns -New -Gestures -App Structure -Nav

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 20:08, Tomasz Maciąg | Fuse Collective wrote: It also depends on how you inspiration process works. Basically you're right, but I meant making research before anything else so I won't try to reinvent something that already has been done. I'm not up to date with new/cool ideas for

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Tomasz Maciąg | Fuse Collective
W dniu 2012-02-23 11:27, Martin Heidegger pisze: Before researching anything you'd always have an inspiration idea first. Scribble down whatever idea grows in your mind to the point it is explainable to the list: just far enough to start a discussion. Inspiration for developers. yours Martin.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 18:25, jude wrote: [1] http://www.judahfrangipane.com/examples/minimalscrollbars/ [2] http://www.judahfrangipane.com/examples/throwbutton/ThrowButtonDesktop.html Great start, thinks like that really help! Once we have a little more I will start collecting them in the wiki. On 2

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 17:41, Tomasz Maciąg | Fuse Collective wrote: However I'm not entirely sure how to tackle and two basic ideas Before researching anything you'd always have an inspiration idea first. Scribble down whatever idea grows in your mind to the point it is explainable to the list: j

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread jude
*Note: If you double click on the button in the example [2] it shows the another screen showing another example. 2012/2/23 jude > This would be great. I've been working on some things like this. I've > created skins for OSX like scrollbars [1], a throw button [2] and skins for > search text inpu

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread jude
This would be great. I've been working on some things like this. I've created skins for OSX like scrollbars [1], a throw button [2] and skins for search text input (I'll have to post it). The throw button is any button that emits events when you press on it and drag into a direction. In the examp

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Haykel BEN JEMIA
I think the first step should be to create new skins for the current Spark components. Designers could make designs for them (ideally using a tool that enables export to FXG like Illustrator) and then developers can create skins out of them. Haykel On 23 February 2012 09:41, Tomasz Maciąg | Fu

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-23 Thread Tomasz Maciąg | Fuse Collective
W dniu 2012-02-23 04:55, Martin Heidegger pisze: Hello List, I think we need new ideas for user interface designs created with Flex. New compared to the efforts in the Android/iOS community but also just spectacular ones. What do you think? yours Martin. It's good idea and I've thought ab

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Avinash Narayanan
t; I'm in, but what do you mean? >> Ariel Jakobovits >> Email: arielj...@yahoo.com >> Phone: 650-690-2213 >> Fax: 650-641-0031 >> Cell: 650-823-8699 >> >> >> __**__ >> From: Martin Heidegger >> To: fle

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
ruary 22, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design Hello List, I think we need new ideas for user interface designs created with Flex. New compared to the efforts in the Android/iOS community but also just spectacular ones. What do you think? yours Martin.

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
I'm in, but what do you mean?   Ariel Jakobovits Email: arielj...@yahoo.com Phone: 650-690-2213 Fax: 650-641-0031 Cell: 650-823-8699 From: Martin Heidegger To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: [IDEAS] Flex

[IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello List, I think we need new ideas for user interface designs created with Flex. New compared to the efforts in the Android/iOS community but also just spectacular ones. What do you think? yours Martin.