Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-22 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 6:35 PM compn wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:49:25 -0500 > Vittorio Giovara wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 3:53 PM compn wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:42:58 +0200 > > > Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > > > > > Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 22.34.42

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread compn
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:49:25 -0500 Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 3:53 PM compn wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:42:58 +0200 > > Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > > > Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 22.34.42 EET compn a écrit : > > > > > Why does Michael need to ask

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 3:53 PM compn wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:42:58 +0200 > Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 22.34.42 EET compn a écrit : > > > > Why does Michael need to ask the profession of an immediate > colleague of > > > > his? How can he claim th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread compn
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:42:58 +0200 Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 22.34.42 EET compn a écrit : > > > Why does Michael need to ask the profession of an immediate colleague of > > > his? How can he claim that the answer (or lack therof) is a "red flag" > > > when he

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 22.34.42 EET compn a écrit : > > Why does Michael need to ask the profession of an immediate colleague of > > his? How can he claim that the answer (or lack therof) is a "red flag" > > when he knows the answer full well on account of working for the very > > same

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread compn
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:43:22 +0200 Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 17.19.57 EET compn a écrit : > > > - Why is Michael asking what my profession is? > > > > Michael was asking your profession to find out if you administrate > > servers as part of your profession

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 21. marraskuuta 2024, 17.19.57 EET compn a écrit : > > - Why is Michael asking what my profession is? > > Michael was asking your profession to find out if you administrate > servers as part of your profession. You are dodging the question. Why does Michael need to ask the professio

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread compn
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 14:07:26 +0100 "J. Dekker" wrote: > compn writes: > These mails simply leave me confused: My apologies. I was trying to clarify things but this mail I wrote was so bad it only caused grief. It was not my intent and thats why I asked people to ignore my mail. > - Why is Mich

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-21 Thread J. Dekker
compn writes: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 21:17:01 +0200 > Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > >> Le sunnuntaina 3. marraskuuta 2024, 19.25.50 EET Michael Niedermayer >> a écrit : >> > Hi >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: >> > [...] >> > >> > > >Thats besides

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-19 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 1:41 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi Vittorio > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 10:19:07AM -0500, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > > So when are we going to vote? > > vote about what ? > 1. root access documentation - right now we don't even KNOW who to ask about this, maybe you? m

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-16 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 03:16:16AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: [...] > > > Furthermore you object to this being discussed, deny the issue even > > > exists, and in at least one case you wanted to ban someone for raising > > > it. Those are all tactics authoritarian governments use to suppress > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-16 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Anton On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 03:16:16AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-11-06 15:48:19) [...] > > About git access > > We have a documented and public process since a very long time. > > people need to be in MAINTAINERS to get git write. > > 1) That is not true

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Tomas Härdin (2024-11-06 18:36:12) > I've been meaning to critique the idea that commits should be the > membership criterion. It's biased towards those who write lots of > patches It actually seems the reverse to me - 20 commits in 3 years is a VERY low bar, it's not all that hard to writ

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-11-06 14:38:09) > Hi > > [...] > > > > > And having an all inclusive meeting, there is no remote participation, no > > > recording, Even the developer with the most commits in FFmpeg has no > > > option > > > to participate. > > > > You DO have an option to parti

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-11-06 15:48:19) > > You publicly resigned as this project's leader 9 years ago. Yet after > > all this time you treat it as a matter of course that you and only you > > can unilaterally decide who is trustworthy enough to be root, get git > > push, or any other inf

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 1:41 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > adding a assembly course to FFmpeg github will happen once someone replies > and > says who will do it and what access (s)he needs. > Kieran says he would like access in the future, but doesn't need it right now yet, so no action

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Vittorio On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 10:19:07AM -0500, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > So when are we going to vote? vote about what ? Maybe you should first reveal what you want then we can try to discuss that, and improve FFmpeg, if theres something to improve. the infra text, we will improve, that

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-15 Thread Vittorio Giovara
So when are we going to vote? Vittorio On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 2:06 AM Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > Le 13 novembre 2024 00:51:23 GMT+02:00, compn a > écrit : > >> That is a major red flag, very similar to what you yourself claimed > >> as motivation to reject Josh - precarious employment si

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-13 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le 13 novembre 2024 00:51:23 GMT+02:00, compn a écrit : >> That is a major red flag, very similar to what you yourself claimed >> as motivation to reject Josh - precarious employment situation. > >are you talking about the same Josh who asked not to have their photo >taken during vdd? > >you wan

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-12 Thread compn
this mail might have come off angry, i didnt mean for this to be an angry email. can safely ignore this mail. -compn On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:51:23 -1000 compn wrote: > are you talking about the same Josh who asked not to have their photo > taken during vdd? > > you want a root admin who doesnt

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-12 Thread compn
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 21:17:01 +0200 Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le sunnuntaina 3. marraskuuta 2024, 19.25.50 EET Michael Niedermayer > a écrit : > > Hi > > > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > [...] > > > > > >Thats besides the root admins should genera

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-12 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le sunnuntaina 3. marraskuuta 2024, 19.25.50 EET Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > Hi > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > [...] > > > >Thats besides the root admins should generally be professional admins and > > >not "popular politicans". > > > > You have bl

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-11 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 11/6/2024 2:48 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > do i unilaterally decide who i trust as root, maybe. Q.E.D. That, along with Fabrice's control of ffmpeg.org and French trademark, despite not havign contributed in 20 years, purely for ego reasons, mean we can never move to a truly community run

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-07 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 3:56 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > ronald, you are someone knowing about buisness, I think you know this. If > a CEO is or other > executive is voted out against his will. They dont stay in the company > normally. > Iam saying this so people understand. Because i believe

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-07 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 11/3/2024 4:37 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > I very strongly object to you calling me "misleading and disparagin" I suspect this now deleted tweet meets the definition of "disparaging". See: https://imgur.com/a/RdPW15a The link was https://x.com/michael__ni/status/1853033116199219207 (I t

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Tomas Härdin
lör 2024-11-02 klockan 12:34 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > Hi > > At teh current videolan developer days there where several surprise votes on > FFmpegs > infractructure. And to the best of my knowledge no remote participation > and no recording. > > So let me try to reply to the idea of th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi [...] > > > I hope there is noone who belives one can remove a persons admin powers for > > no reason, put oneself in power instead and have that person still be > > a volunteer working in that project afterwards. > > > > ronald, you are someone knowing about buisness, I think you know this. If

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi There are several different topics in your mail so i will try to reply to them one at a time On Wed, Nov 06, 2024 at 09:56:47AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-11-06 00:55:59) > > This community has just a few months ago managed to loose the 2nd largest > > cont

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 2:27 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > * you cannot expect a community of tens of people to make it their top > > priority to bend over backwards to accommodate one person > > "one for all and all for one" seems a interresting concept for a team, > but thats just my oppini

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi [...] > > > And having an all inclusive meeting, there is no remote participation, no > > recording, Even the developer with the most commits in FFmpeg has no option > > to participate. > > You DO have an option to participate, you just choose not to use it. > Besides, people have tried for man

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-06 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-11-06 00:55:59) > This community has just a few months ago managed to loose the 2nd largest > contributor to a fork. > > Instead of making "getting him back" a major talking point of the meeting. If you care so much about getting Paul back, why are YOU not organi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-05 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Nov 05, 2024 at 04:51:30PM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 11:37 AM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > > Le 2 novembre 2024 20:34:30 GMT+09:00, Michael Niedermayer < > > mich...@niede

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-05 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 11:37 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > > Le 2 novembre 2024 20:34:30 GMT+09:00, Michael Niedermayer < > mich...@niedermayer.cc> a écrit : > > >At teh current videolan developer days there where sever

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-03 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: [...] > >Thats besides the root admins should generally be professional admins and not > >"popular politicans". > > You have blocked Josh and Marvin, neither of whom strike me as popular > politicians (sorry, no offence inte

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-03 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Remi On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 08:56:36PM +0900, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hi, > > Le 2 novembre 2024 20:34:30 GMT+09:00, Michael Niedermayer > a écrit : > >At teh current videolan developer days there where several surprise votes on > >FFmpegs > >infractructure. > > There were obviously

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-03 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Hi, Le 2 novembre 2024 20:34:30 GMT+09:00, Michael Niedermayer a écrit : >At teh current videolan developer days there where several surprise votes on >FFmpegs >infractructure. There were obviously no formal votes on anything since no GA meetings were held. To be honest, you are being awfully

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-02 Thread RaDSL via ffmpeg-devel
On 11/2/2024 4:34 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi At teh current videolan developer days there where several surprise votes on FFmpegs infractructure. And to the best of my knowledge no remote participation and no recording. So let me try to reply to the idea of the general assembly choosi

[FFmpeg-devel] root access voting

2024-11-02 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi At teh current videolan developer days there where several surprise votes on FFmpegs infractructure. And to the best of my knowledge no remote participation and no recording. So let me try to reply to the idea of the general assembly choosing who has root access. We have seen a raise of incr