Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2025-01-03 Thread Nicolas George
Niklas Haas (12025-01-02): > I think you overlook the deep ties and decades of involvement some of us > have with the open source multimedia scene, not to mention those whose day > job literally depends on the continued existence of FFmpeg. > > It is not exactly trivial to just pack up and leave,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2025-01-02 Thread Niklas Haas
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 14:14:13 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: > Ronald S. Bultje (12024-12-31): > > (I don't need or want to be a new dictator, but I do believe in more > > community involvement in processes and decisions. CC/TC/GA are not perfect > > but they're a step forward and they can hopefully b

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2025-01-02 Thread Nicolas George
Ronald S. Bultje (12024-12-31): > (I don't need or want to be a new dictator, but I do believe in more > community involvement in processes and decisions. CC/TC/GA are not perfect > but they're a step forward and they can hopefully be improved.) Hi. I disagree with you on this: the GA is a mistak

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance

2025-01-02 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, 06:49 compn, wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 02:23:08 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 11:10 PM compn wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:28:31 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I personally don't want

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance

2025-01-01 Thread compn
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 02:23:08 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 11:10 PM compn wrote: > > > > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:28:31 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel > > wrote: > > > > > I personally don't want any control (I am not in GA or CC), I want the > > > pe

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance

2025-01-01 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 11:10 PM compn wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:28:31 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel > wrote: > > > I personally don't want any control (I am not in GA or CC), I want the > > people to control FFmpeg. > > iirc someone wanted, to improve security, to have releases and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance

2025-01-01 Thread compn
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 17:28:31 +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > I personally don't want any control (I am not in GA or CC), I want the > people to control FFmpeg. iirc someone wanted, to improve security, to have releases and snapshots to be signed off by multiple people. i suggeste

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Ronald On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 01:16:09PM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi Michael, > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 11:58 AM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > After months of public harassment and accusations > > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. > > > [..] > > > But

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi Michael, On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 11:58 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > After months of public harassment and accusations > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. > [..] > But in an attempt to remove the grand prize and motive behind this. > I will never give any power relat

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> About a timescale, theres not a single proposal. Short of simply > resigning and handing FFmpeg out to some random dictator who picks it up. > > There is a resposibility here. I cannot and will not simply leave FFmpeg > to whoever likes to pick it up Classic tin pot dictator behaviour, setting a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Kieran On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 04:33:20PM +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, 13:14 Michael Niedermayer, > wrote: > > > In case most people want democratication and its actually an important > > thing > > for them. Then sure we will make it happen eventually. >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, 13:14 Michael Niedermayer, wrote: > In case most people want democratication and its actually an important > thing > for them. Then sure we will make it happen eventually. > This is a non trivial problem though but i had a surprising "revelation" > yesterday how this could be

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-31 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Kieran On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:39:29PM +, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 4:58 PM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > But in an attempt to remove the grand prize and motive behind this. > > I will never give any power related to FFmpeg to people who continue

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le maanantaina 30. joulukuuta 2024, 18.57.49 EET Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > After months of public harassment and accusations > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. You can't *publicly* accuse people of harrassment without proof,. That would literally constitute defamatio

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Baptiste Coudurier
On Dec 30, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > > Michael Niedermayer (12024-12-30): >> After months of public harassment and accusations >> it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. >> >> Iam not sure how to handle this to be honest, >> It must from the outside look like th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Ali KIZIL
> Michael Niedermayer (12024-12-30): > > After months of public harassment and accusations > > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. > > > > Iam not sure how to handle this to be honest, > > It must from the outside look like these mails here and there are a minor > > thing, but

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Niedermayer (12024-12-30): > After months of public harassment and accusations > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. > > Iam not sure how to handle this to be honest, > It must from the outside look like these mails here and there are a minor > thing, but really this i

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 4:58 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: But in an attempt to remove the grand prize and motive behind this. > I will never give any power related to FFmpeg to people who continue with > attacks/harrassment/accusations. > (more clearly, any future democratication will exclude th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 02:36:52PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 12/30/2024 1:57 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi all > > > > After months of public harassment and accusations > > it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. > > > > Iam not sure how to handle this to be hone

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 4:58 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > But in an attempt to remove the grand prize and motive behind this. > I will never give any power related to FFmpeg to people who continue with > attacks/harrassment/accusations. > (more clearly, any future democratication will exclude t

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi For teh record, here is a sample of an exchange from yesterday Iam posting this to show how the new CC is doing And id like to use this to say that i will disregard all similar future mails from this CC. Which is what multiple people have recommanded me to do both from within FFmpeg and from ou

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread James Almer
On 12/30/2024 1:57 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all After months of public harassment and accusations it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. Iam not sure how to handle this to be honest, It must from the outside look like these mails here and there are a minor thing, but

[FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg governance and accusations

2024-12-30 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi all After months of public harassment and accusations it appears the attacks against me shift to private mail. Iam not sure how to handle this to be honest, It must from the outside look like these mails here and there are a minor thing, but really this is grinding my nerves down, my ability t