Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-23 Thread Milan Crha
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 16:30 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > IMHO the ordering should take into account messages deleted but not > expunged, such that merely deleting a message should not reorder > anything. Hi, it currently sorts only messages you see. Deleted (or Junk) messages are s

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-23 Thread Milan Crha
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 12:05 -0700, Craig wrote: > Is this kind of behaviour an option somewhere, or should I file an > enhancement request somewhere? Hi, there is no such option. Note the issue can be more complicated when the folder receives new messages, or basically any changes from th

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-23 Thread Milan Crha
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 08:54 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > --> Joe1 v help with thisToday 00:57 > Bob1 help with this Today 02:43 > Joe2 v help with this Today 01:14 > Bob2 help with thisToday 02:52 > > Basically, shouldn't the algor

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Craig
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 15:18 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > I would have thought there is a case for saying that the tree > shouldn't be re-ordered whilst you remain in the folder. > > I must admit that I find the re-ordering annoying in other circumstances > - when a new email is received, the thread

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Pete Biggs
> > It would be weird to treat your mail in "blocks" of retrieved messages, > and only sort them within those blocks so that messages in > newly-retrieved blocks aren't added to previously retrieved blocks, > unless you exit/re-enter the folder to get a total reorder. Maybe I > don't understand

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 12:04 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > Would it help if you turned on "show deleted messages" (or off "hide > > deleted messages") - then it wouldn't ever need to re-order the > list? > > Possibly... but I don't like to show my deleted messages :) IMHO the ordering should take i

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 15:18 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > In the above situation, I use C-d to delete the current message. I > > thought the problem was that the cursor then skipped the next message > > but what happens is more subtle than that: the cursor does correctly go > > to the next message

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Pete Biggs
> Aha! Interesting! I just got it to happen again and noticed something > important. I had a thread like this: > > --> Joe v help with thisToday 00:57 > Bob help with this Today 02:43 > Joev help with this Today 01:14 > Bob

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 07:50 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > I'll follow up if/when I get any fresh detail. Aha! Interesting! I just got it to happen again and noticed something important. I had a thread like this: --> Joe v help with thisToday 00:57 Bob help with this

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 07:52 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > it uses the tree, basically what you see in UI, positioning based on > the selected row index. There is some influence of collapsed threads, > usually above the selected message. I recall a bug with a race > condition on the positioning, two

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Milan Crha
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:19 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for > *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? Hi, the more general approach is not that obvious, which is a pita. Instead of saving your view as

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Milan Crha
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 13:20 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > It would be interesting to know what the > "next-message" code uses for ordering. > Hi, it uses the tree, basically what you see in UI, positioning based on the selected row index. There is some influence of collapsed threads, usual

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Craig
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort > order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View -> Current > View -> Save view. Then it's reasonably trivial to set the correct > view of a folder when yo

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default > > for > > *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? > > I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including > sort order) by setting t

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default > for > > *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? > > I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including > sort > order) by setting the fold

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 13:20 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > I don't have a custom sort order, and I also see the saner > behaviour > > you describe, Patrick. If I delete a message, focus moves to the > next > > message below it in the display. Not the next newer message in the > > mailbix which may

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:11 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort > > > > on the Date: header and not the time th

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Pete Biggs
> > Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for > *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View -> Current View -> Save vie

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 16:56 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > I don't have a custom sort order, and I also see the saner behaviour > you describe, Patrick. If I delete a message, focus moves to the next > message below it in the display. Not the next newer message in the > mailbix which may be els

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort > > > on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually > > > *delivered*. So when we get a misdate

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort > > > on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually > > > *delivered*. So when we get a misdate

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Pete Biggs
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the > > Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So > > when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the "newest" > > message in t

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Pete Biggs
> > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the > Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So > when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the "newest" > message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or > w

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 16:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 08:21 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > > I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest > > thread > > > first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the > > > problem has to do with wanti

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 08:21 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest > thread > > first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the problem > > has to do with wanting the most recent thread (i.e. the thread with > > the most recent messa

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 11:31 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's never been completely clear to me what these ordering really mean > when combined with threading. I'm not so worried about the order in which different threads are displayed. But within a single thread it seems to me that whatev

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 15:00 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Hi all. This has bugged me for years but never enough to complain about > it (until now, I guess :)). I wonder if it's just me, or just my setup, > or what. I'm currently using Evolution 3.12.10 but I've seen this for a > number of releases

[Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-18 Thread Paul Smith
Hi all. This has bugged me for years but never enough to complain about it (until now, I guess :)). I wonder if it's just me, or just my setup, or what. I'm currently using Evolution 3.12.10 but I've seen this for a number of releases (maybe always?) I order my folders by Received (Ascending) s