Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-22 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Haudy Kazemi mailto:kaze0...@umn.edu>> > > Hydronic systems nicely avoid these problems (but like most other design > decisions come with different challenges, which in this case means > requiring freeze protection). Which could be as simple as propylene glycol, no? Considering that any

Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-21 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
Russ Finch's project uses air tubes in the ground + solar exposure + earth sheltering for greenhouse heating. The websites and video offer some ideas. https://greenhouseinthesnow.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk http://netnebraska.org/article/news/1007375/visit-nebraska-greenhous

Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-21 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
For the digging cost please then consider using the ground only as a heat source/sink for a heatpump. Trying to use the ground temperature at existing value has such a low delta-T as to be useless compared to the cost. Bob On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 6:48 PM BobK via EV wrote: > Lee Hart, For my e

Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-21 Thread BobK via EV
Lee Hart, For my earth tubes I was thinking of at least 8 inches diameter. I’ve not decided on the number of tubes. The end away from the house would drain into a sump. The sump would be enough for a small sump pump that would get rid of the water. Any suggestion are welcome. Bobby Keeland Lou

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2021-03-21 Thread Willie via EV
On 3/21/21 1:54 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: It's pretty expensive if you bore 6". But I suspect a lot cheaper at 1.5". I did some searching but can't find any prices. However, based on volume, 1.5" is about 6% of 6". Therefore the drilling should be an order of magnitude less. Around he

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
via EV" To: "Bobby Keeland via EV" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 21-Mar-21 11:42:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Projects Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: I have no idea of how much it cost to drill a 100 ft or more well through clay soil. I do agree that a vertical pipe would prob

Re: [EVDL] Projects, - EV's, solar and 365 VDC around the home

2021-03-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: You hit the nail on the head. The migration of all our high-power systems to HV DC is the topic of my book (EV's, Solar', heatpumps, and all modern power supplies). Any power device that uses "variable speed" such as new airconditioners and other appliances are inte

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2021-03-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: I have no idea of how much it cost to drill a 100 ft or more well through clay soil. I do agree that a vertical pipe would probably be more effective than a horizontal pipe. We had a water well drilled in southwest Missouri some years ago. With casing but no pump that

Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: The cheapest DIY ground-source heating is to hang an old Air Conditioner from the floor joists of a popular central room in the house and cut a hole in the floor to connect the hot side of the AC to the room. The cold side remains in the basement air. A 10,000 BTU A

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: Right now I’m more interested in working on the 1951 Chevy pickup (we actually use pickups as pickups rather than as a manly car). So do I. What a strange idea! There is a guy on YouTube who is showing his complete process of moving a 1952 Chevy pickup onto an S-10

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2021-03-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: Yes Peter VanDerWal (thanks for the reply) I am aware of all that you said. I was planning on using at least 4 smooth wall tubes that are buried about 10 feet deep with a downward slope away from the house. The earth tubes will be about 100 feet long, and the soil here

Re: [EVDL] Projects -- basement ground-source

2021-03-21 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
The cheapest DIY ground-source heating is to hang an old Air Conditioner from the floor joists of a popular central room in the house and cut a hole in the floor to connect the hot side of the AC to the room. The cold side remains in the basement air. A 10,000 BTU AC unit becomes a 20,000 BTu heat

Re: [EVDL] Projects, - EV's, solar and 365 VDC around the home

2021-03-21 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
You hit the nail on the head. The migration of all our high-power systems to HV DC is the topic of my book (EV's, Solar', heatpumps, and all modern power supplies). Any power device that uses "variable speed" such as new airconditioners and other appliances are internally using 365 VDC which is a

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
al Message -- > From: "Bobby Keeland via EV" > To: "Peter VanDerWal" > Cc: "Bobby Keeland" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" > Sent: 21-Mar-21 9:31:12 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Projects > > >Yes Peter VanDerWal (thanks for t

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
erWal" > Cc: "Bobby Keeland" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" > Sent: 21-Mar-21 9:31:12 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Projects > > >Yes Peter VanDerWal (thanks for the reply) I am aware of all that you > said. > >I was planning on using at least 4 s

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2021-03-21 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi Peter and all,Earth tubes almost can't avoid moisture and molds making air versions dangerous to breathe air from them.  You really need a coolant based system, not air.Minisplits are a far better solution and some work directly from batteries now both in 48vdc and 365vdc nom.. I hear some v

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ps://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Bobby Keeland via EV" To: "Peter VanDerWal" Cc: "Bobby Keeland" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 21-Mar-21 9:31:12 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Projects Yes Peter VanDerWal (thanks

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-21 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
Yes Peter VanDerWal (thanks for the reply) I am aware of all that you said. I was planning on using at least 4 smooth wall tubes that are buried about 10 feet deep with a downward slope away from the house. The earth tubes will be about 100 feet long, and the soil here is almost pure clay (southern

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2021-03-20 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Bobby, have you done any research on Earth Tubes? Not just looking up testimonials and anecdotes, but looked for actual studies? I was really yped about earth tubes for a while until I looked into them and found a few studies. I found a lot of people claiming that all they did was dig 2 foot

Re: [EVDL] Projects

2021-03-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lee Hart wrote: ... not to mention electric cars. :-) Bobby Keeland wrote: Actually I have added a few things to the Model 3, but what I would really like to do is work on converting my 1951 Chevy pickup to electric. Unfortunately someone from EV West said that for that pickup I would have to

[EVDL] Projects

2021-03-19 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
In a previous posting I said: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210319/15ea2a37/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/lis