Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
I have a 2016 Leaf with 8 bars left. Driving slowly I made it 94 miles over three hills to Modesto. The highest 1,000 feet. Altamonte. This the i580 route from San Francisco. It was in the 50's in San Francisco and 42° in Modesto when I got there with 14 miles range left. I average 5 miles per

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ed Thorpe wrote: BTW, how much are ICE cars hit with drop in gas mileage during the winter month? How come no one complains about that? Or are EVs hit harder in the cold wintertime? Yes; EV range is reduced by cold much more than ICEs. A couple data points: I have a 2010 Chevy Colorado small p

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: It’s the battery that impacts the range in BEVs. In an ICE, the battery is mainly important for starting, with the engine charging the battery. Sometimes you do need a better battery for starting in very extreme weather. It is important for an EV to provide both

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Also: In winter, all cars require more energy due to increased aerodynamic losses. Cold air is denser air, and thus creates more drag. On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:27 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > It’s the battery that impacts the range in BEVs. In an ICE, the battery is > mainly important

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
It’s the battery that impacts the range in BEVs. In an ICE, the battery is mainly important for starting, with the engine charging the battery. Sometimes you do need a better battery for starting in very extreme weather. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 22, 2022, at 9:11

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ed Thorpe wrote: BTW, how much are ICE cars hit with drop in gas mileage during the winter month? How come no one complains about that? Or are EVs hit harder in the cold wintertime? I have a 2010 Chevy Colorado small pickup (successor to the Chevy S10). I keep track of its gas mileage. It gets

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
ICE cars essentially have "free" heat, since about 70% of the fuel ends up as waste heat. EVs are too efficient, so no appreciable waste heat, so all the heat has to come from the battery. The way to "cheat" is to pre-condition the car before you depart while the car is still plugged into the g

Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Ed Thorpe via EV
BTW, how much are ICE cars hit with drop in gas mileage during the winter month? How come no one complains about that? Or are EVs hid harder in the cold wintertime? Thanks, Ed > On Dec 22, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Why your Tesla hates the cold, too, and what you ca

[EVDL] EV cold weather range

2022-12-22 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Why your Tesla hates the cold, too, and what you can do about it https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/why-your-tesla-hates-the-cold-too-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/ ... How much did the cold affect his car’s performance? ... The only difference he’s noticed is a loss of about 3%, or 10 mile