[Emu] FW: I-D Action:draft-sheffer-emu-eap-eke-00.txt

2009-01-29 Thread Yaron Sheffer
EKE is a well known password-based mutual authentication protocol. The patent on EKE is nearing expiry, so we figured this is a good time to specify an EAP method using this protocol. We would appreciate all comments. Thanks, Yaron -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.

[Emu] FW: I-D Action:draft-sheffer-emu-eap-eke-01.txt

2009-02-10 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi everyone, We have just published a new version of the EAP-EKE draft, closing a vulnerability that was discovered on CFRG. I hope everyone has had enough EAP-FAST bashing for a while (:-) and can give our protocol some bashing, too. Thanks, Yaron -Original Message- From: inte

[Emu] EAP-EKE implementations

2009-06-23 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi, A few days ago I was at Tel Aviv University to see a demonstration of EAP-EKE, implemented between a WPA client (wpa_supplicant), a generic access point and a FreeRADIUS server. All working very smoothly. The students managed to write the whole thing based on the draft (http://tools.ietf.org/h

[Emu] Proposed EMU charter item on password auth

2009-07-27 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi, Pasi asked that we propose a charter item for password-based authentication, so here's a first shot, for your review. Thanks, Yaron The working group will develop a single standards-track EAP method for authenticating users using short, memorable passwords but with n

[Emu] Tunnel requirements: a few comments

2009-07-30 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi, Referring to Sec. 3.5 of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-03, there should be an indication to the application that is using EAP that such "strange" authentication took place. For example, the VoIP server may than make sure that only calls to 911 or 112 are allowed. O

Re: [Emu] Issue #15: Algorithm agility and certs

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
I'm fine with this text. Thanks, Yaron > -Original Message- > From: emu-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:emu-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 22:16 > To: emu@ietf.org > Subject: [Emu] Issue #15: Algorithm agility and certs > >

Re: [Emu] Issue #16: Server auth

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Actually this is still kind of vague: what is "generated directly"? In a challenge-response, it is the password is encrypted/hashed - does this count as "directly"? Also, *all of* sec. 4.5.1 should apply to this kind of methods, not just server authentication. So I suggest to replace: Due to

Re: [Emu] Issue #17: What is "housekeeping"

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Well, this could stand even more detail, but fine... > -Original Message- > From: emu-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:emu-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 22:18 > To: emu@ietf.org > Subject: [Emu] Issue #17: What is "housekeeping" > > #

Re: [Emu] Issue #21: Mandatory Vs. Optional

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
I support the current text. Having explicit marking for mandatory attributes (a "Critical bit") adds power to protocol extensions, in that you can ensure that negotiation will fail if the other side doesn't understand you. Thanks, Yaron > -Original Message- > From: emu-boun...@iet

Re: [Emu] Issue #22: Collection of smaller issues

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
[snip] > > > Section 4.2.1.1.3 > > > > " A tunnel method MUST provide unidirectional authentication from > >authentication server to EAP peer or mutual authentication between > >authentication server and EAP peer." > > > > Is this really an or? For example, would a tunnel method

Re: [Emu] Issue #22: Collection of smaller issues

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Yes, you are right. Yaron > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) [mailto:jsalo...@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 0:26 > To: Yaron Sheffer; emu@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Issue #22: Collection of smaller issues > > In section 3.7 we

Re: [Emu] Issue #14 Emergency auth

2009-08-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
The contract between the authenticator and the EAP layer is, when I see an EAP Success message, it means that both sides are authenticated. We are now breaking this contract, so it makes sense to have EAP inform the upper layer of this fact. But I suppose EAP is not extensible enough to add such s

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-emu-chbind-04.txt

2009-12-06 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi, IMHO this document is not ready to be advanced, at least not as Standards Track. The document is extremely abstract: it defines the problem statement very well, but then keep its options open when describing the solution. The fact that the document has an empty IANA section is a strong hint

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-emu-chbind-04.txt

2010-03-02 Thread Yaron Sheffer
e- > From: Hoeper Katrin-QWKN37 [mailto:khoe...@motorola.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 17:57 > To: Yaron Sheffer; emu@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-emu-chbind- > 04.txt > > Yaron, > > Thank you for your comments. > >

Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04

2010-03-03 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Joe, what Dan is proposing is a reasonable way to use a one-time password for the initial provisioning of a trust anchor. Initial provisioning is important for many types of deployments. Does the document allow an alternative secure way to do that? Dan, I suspect that for this specific use case

Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04

2010-03-03 Thread Yaron Sheffer
gt; From: Alan DeKok [mailto:al...@deployingradius.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:47 > To: Yaron Sheffer > Cc: emu@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04 > > Yaron Sheffer wrote: > > Joe, what Dan is proposing is a reasonable way to use a one-

Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04

2010-03-04 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Joe, Yes, I am OK with the text. Thanks, Yaron > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) [mailto:jsalo...@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 17:12 > To: Yaron Sheffer; Alan DeKok > Cc: emu@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Emu] review of draft-

Re: [Emu] Channel Binding Discussion at IETF 77

2010-06-18 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Sam, I am glad you are taking a fresh look at this issue. Some comments: - I think draft-ietf-emu-chbind is not as interesting, or potentially useful, as draft-clancy-emu-aaapay. In any case, both drafts should be looked at together. - I think tunnel methods are more trouble than they're

[Emu] MTI password-based method

2011-08-25 Thread Yaron Sheffer
I'd like to point out that EAP-EKE (RFC 6124) is another potential candidate for this role. Yes, it is also Informational. Thanks, Yaron On 08/25/2011 09:01 AM, emu-requ...@ietf.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:15:28 -0400 From: Sam Hartman To: "Dan Harkins" Cc: emu@ietf.or