Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Dan Harkins
Hi Steve, I don't think what you're talking about falls into the definition of "channel binding", at least not the one I have, and I wouldn't be surprised if others (like maybe people on the IESG) agree. And I agree with Dave, and Glen, that this isn't authentication either. "channel bindi

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Alan DeKok
Dan Harkins wrote: > "channel bindings" are supposed to solve the lying NAS problem* > which is an issue of authentication (is this guy really who he claims > to be?). What you want to do is use the EAP tunnel to transfer other > kinds of data to do NEA posture checking. And, yes, we should deter

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Alan DeKok
David Mitton wrote: >> The main limitation on bulk data transfer is that most EAP to >> RADIUS gateways (AP's, etc.) will terminate an EAP session after ~50 >> packets. > > This kind of thing drives me crazy. Why are their such policies? To prevent bulk transfer of data over EAP, among others.

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Dan Harkins
Hi Alan, On Sun, August 16, 2009 1:09 am, Alan DeKok wrote: > Dan Harkins wrote: >> "channel bindings" are supposed to solve the lying NAS problem* >> which is an issue of authentication (is this guy really who he claims >> to be?). What you want to do is use the EAP tunnel to transfer other

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Stephen Hanna
Actually, in the email that you responded to, I was referring to the EMU working group item in the current charter: - A document that defines EAP channel bindings and provides guidance for establishing EAP channel bindings within EAP methods. I hope that we can both agree that this falls within o

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Alan DeKok
Dan Harkins wrote: > Authentication has to do with proving an identity. Authorization has > to do with determining whether that proven identity is "good" or "bad". That's a clear explanation. > I'm not sure what sites do what but I'm not aware of an EAP method > that checks a username and a

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Dan Harkins
Hi Steve, On Sun, August 16, 2009 9:43 am, Stephen Hanna wrote: > I do not agree that EAP channel bindings are about > authentication. They have two parts: checking whether > the NAS is advertising services that it's not > authorized to advertise and using information from > the NAS (like which

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Stephen Hanna
Dan Harkins wrote: > On Sun, August 16, 2009 9:43 am, Stephen Hanna wrote: > > I do not agree that EAP channel bindings are about > > authentication. They have two parts: checking whether > > the NAS is advertising services that it's not > > authorized to advertise and using information from > > th

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread David Mitton
On 8/16/2009 04:30 AM, Alan DeKok wrote: David Mitton wrote: >> The main limitation on bulk data transfer is that most EAP to >> RADIUS gateways (AP's, etc.) will terminate an EAP session after ~50 >> packets. > > This kind of thing drives me crazy. Why are their such policies? To prevent bul

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Bret Jordan
All, > I agree that EAP was originally defined solely for the purpose > of authentication. I agree that it is wise for us to consider > carefully whether we want to also allow it to be used to carry > information that is useful in authorization. While I believe that > this is a good idea, I think

Re: [Emu] EAP and authorization

2009-08-16 Thread Stefan Winter
Hi, >> >> The main limitation on bulk data transfer is that most EAP to >> >> RADIUS gateways (AP's, etc.) will terminate an EAP session after ~50 >> >> packets. >> > >> > This kind of thing drives me crazy. Why are their such policies? >> >> To prevent bulk transfer of data over EAP, among oth