Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-27 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Bastien wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: 1. n/p remain as they where 2. Moving forward/backward though time will be `f' and `b' 3. Follow mode goes to the "F" key, a capital letter does make sense here given that some other modes like [G]rid and clock[R]eport a

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-27 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Samuel Wales wrote: Looks good. However, you might want to have cursor movement work, if the keys will not be functional, so that people can mark text (nobody mentioned that yet). Did you get a chance to look at my proposal for right and left arrow keys? Yes, I

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-27 Thread Peter Frings
On 27 Aug 2009, at 06:47, Charles Philip Chan wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: [snip] 5. The cursor keys and are remapped to a function that does nothing, except showing a message that you should now use f/b to move through time. Looks good, but like others have said, I prefer the an

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Charles Philip Chan
Carsten Dominik writes: > 1. n/p remain as they where > 2. Moving forward/backward though time will be `f' and `b' > 3. Follow mode goes to the "F" key, a capital letter does >make sense here given that some other modes like [G]rid >and clock[R]eport and [D]iary are on capitals as well. >

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory J. Grubbs
Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi, > > thank you everybody for this very interesting discussion. I have > been trying to think of a way to extract common ground from the > different opinions. > > Here is what I have come up with: > > 1. n/p remain as they where > 2. Moving forward/backward though tim

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Daniel Martins
YES for both I fell often in this trap too. 2009/8/25 Rainer Stengele > Carsten Dominik schrieb: > > Hi, > > > > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to sw

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Samuel Wales
Looks good. However, you might want to have cursor movement work, if the keys will not be functional, so that people can mark text (nobody mentioned that yet). Did you get a chance to look at my proposal for right and left arrow keys? -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Bastien
Carsten Dominik writes: > 1. n/p remain as they where > 2. Moving forward/backward though time will be `f' and `b' > 3. Follow mode goes to the "F" key, a capital letter does >make sense here given that some other modes like [G]rid >and clock[R]eport and [D]iary are on capitals as well. >

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-26 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi, thank you everybody for this very interesting discussion. I have been trying to think of a way to extract common ground from the different opinions. Here is what I have come up with: 1. n/p remain as they where 2. Moving forward/backward though time will be `f' and `b' 3. Follow mode goes

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Aug 25, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Manish wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Christian Egli wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again No. Why would you want to do c

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Memnon Anon
Carsten Dominik writes: > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and later dates. No and no for the same reasons Christian Egli mentioned. Memnon ___ E

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Aug 25, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Christian Egli wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again No. Why would you want to do cursor motion in the agenda? There is not good

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Niels Felsted Thorsen
Carsten Dominik writes: > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and later dates. > > I would like to call a vote on this issue.

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Leyon
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31, Manish wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Christian Egli wrote: >> No. Why would you want to do cursor motion in the agenda? > > One could make part of a heading a link to, say, an email, and may want to > visit that. Clockreport also shows links which can be

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Manish
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Christian Egli wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: >> >> 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > > No. Why would you want to do cursor motion in the agenda? One cou

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Rainer Stengele
Carsten Dominik schrieb: > Hi, > > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and later dates. > > I would like to call a vote on t

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi all, Carsten Dominik wrote: > I tend to agree with the arguments that "n" and "p" should move vertically > in the agenda buffer, because many Emacs modes do it like this. > > So it seem to me that this discussion should focus on which keys should move > the agenda forward and backward in time.

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Christian Egli
Carsten Dominik writes: > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again No. Why would you want to do cursor motion in the agenda? > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Bastien
Chris Leyon writes: > Another solution would be to use "f" and "b" to move forward and > backward in time. Some other Agenda bindings would have to change to > accommodate this. Old "f" (org-agenda-follow-mode) could become "F" > which is unused. But "b" and "B" are both used and would need to

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Bastien
Benjamin Andresen writes: > As Leo wrote: ibuffer, gnus, dired & others all use 'n' for next > line and 'p' for previous line. > > And with the recent mark and unmark feature inspired by dired, doing > what it does, seems intuitive as far as emacs goes. Fair enough. I would favor the `f/b' ke

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Bernt Hansen
Carsten Dominik writes: > I tend to agree with the arguments that "n" and "p" should move > vertically in the agenda buffer, because many Emacs modes do > it like this. > > So it seem to me that this discussion should focus on which keys should > move the agenda forward and backward in time. I'm

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Matt Lundin
Carsten Dominik wrote: > > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again I'd be fine with this change, though I can't remember when I last used the left/right keys for cursor motion in emacs. :) > 2.

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Manuel Hermenegildo
> all use 'n' for next line and 'p' for previous line. I think the modes that use 'n' for next line and 'p' for next/previous line tend to be 'single page' modes (e.g., dired). I personally rarely use n/p even in those: C-n/C-p are automatic in my fingers and they always work so that I do not n

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Chris Leyon wrote: Another solution would be to use "f" and "b" to move forward and backward in time. Some other Agenda bindings would have to change to accommodate this. Old "f" (org-agenda-follow-mode) could become "F" which is unused. But "b" and "B" are both

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Chris Leyon
Another solution would be to use "f" and "b" to move forward and backward in time. Some other Agenda bindings would have to change to accommodate this. Old "f" (org-agenda-follow-mode) could become "F" which is unused. But "b" and "B" are both used and would need to be remapped. Obviously this

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Leo
On 2009-08-25 11:59 +0100, Leo wrote: > I like n and p to move up and down like in many other modes for > example ibuffer, dired, Gnus etc. Changing this to be incompatible > with other modes alienates orgmode. So I'd vote to keep current > behaviour. > >> I would like to call a vote on this issue.

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi everyone, I tend to agree with the arguments that "n" and "p" should move vertically in the agenda buffer, because many Emacs modes do it like this. So it seem to me that this discussion should focus on which keys should move the agenda forward and backward in time. - Carsten On Aug 25, 200

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Michaël Parienti
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:12:16 +0200 Carsten Dominik wrote: > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier > and later dates. > > I would like to call a vote on this issue. Please weigh in. > Should we make

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Benjamin Andresen
Hey Bastien, Bastien writes: > Benjamin Andresen writes: >> But "n" and "p" are already used to move up and down entries in the >> org-agenda. >> Where would they go to then? > > C-n and C-p, like in any Emacs buffer? Sure. That's a given. But they seem to be the fallback, IMO. As Leo wrote:

Re: [Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Bastien
Benjamin Andresen writes: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> Hi, >> >> we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: >> >> 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again >> 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >>and later dates.

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Leo
On 2009-08-25 10:12 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi, > > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and later dates. I like n and

[Orgmode] Re: POLL: Change of keys to move agenda through time

2009-08-25 Thread Benjamin Andresen
Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi, > > we have the proposal to do the following key changes in the agenda: > > 1. Make the cursor keys LEFT and RIGHT do normal cursor motion again > 2. Use the keys "n" and "p" to switch the agenda to earlier >and later dates. But "n" and "p" are already used to m