Re: [O] GFDL

2013-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
On 27-May-2013, Bastien wrote: > Ben Finney writes: > > Do you have a reference from some FSF official for that restriction? > > See this discussion: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-12/msg00375.html Thanks very much for that information. I had not realised how obstruction

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-27 Thread Bastien
Hi Ben, Ben Finney writes: > Do you have a reference from some FSF official for that restriction? See this discussion: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-12/msg00375.html Also, when RMS discovered that the Org manual was published by http://www.network-theory.co.uk he asked

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-25 Thread Ben Finney
Bastien writes: > "Sebastien Vauban" > writes: > > > FMI, why is GNU GPL not applicable to the manual? > > Because the manual is part of GNU Emacs, which is part of the GNU > project, and every project in the GNU project is required to publish > manuals in GNU FDL only. Dual licensing is not an

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 21.5.2013, at 17:03, François Pinard wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> I am curious, what passage does make such restrictions possible, and >> which kinds of restrictions? > > Oh, I did not read the GFDL in quite a years, and really have no > interest in diving and scrutinizing it agai

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread Bastien
"Sebastien Vauban" writes: > FMI, why is GNU GPL not applicable to the manual? Because the manual is part of GNU Emacs, which is part of the GNU project, and every project in the GNU project is required to publish manuals in GNU FDL only. Dual licensing is not an option here. There are many

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread François Pinard
Carsten Dominik writes: > I am curious, what passage does make such restrictions possible, and > which kinds of restrictions? Oh, I did not read the GFDL in quite a years, and really have no interest in diving and scrutinizing it again :-). More away I am from all this, better I feel :-). Sorr

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 21 mei 2013, at 15:34, François Pinard wrote: > "Sebastien Vauban" > writes: > >> FMI, why is GNU GPL not applicable to the manual? > > While I would have long to say, here, I rather censor myself, mostly. > > I sometimes happen to think that the GDFL happened not so long after > Richard

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread François Pinard
"Sebastien Vauban" writes: > FMI, why is GNU GPL not applicable to the manual? While I would have long to say, here, I rather censor myself, mostly. I sometimes happen to think that the GDFL happened not so long after Richard Stallman and I had a harsh and long dispute about the GNU tar manual.

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hi Bastien, Bastien wrote: > Ben Finney writes: >>> It bothers me mostly for the guide, where I did spend a lot of time to >>> make it compact, and now something like one fifth of it is license >>> text. We may actually consider to re-release the guide under a >>> different license. >> >> Please

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-21 Thread Bastien
Hi Ben, Ben Finney writes: >> It bothers me mostly for the guide, where I did spend a lot of time to >> make it compact, and now something like one fifth of it is license >> text. We may actually consider to re-release the guide under a >> different license. > > Please use this as an opportunit

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-05-20 Thread Ben Finney
Carsten Dominik writes: > I have asked RMS about this, and he says that the [GNU FDL] license > should be present in printed versions of the document. I find it very > hard to believe that this must be the case. That matches my understanding. It may be hard to believe that such an obnoxious inte

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-04-05 Thread Bastien
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski writes: > HTH anyway Well, it did! It showed that it *is* possible somehow... and thanks for the TeX lesson btw. I can't integrate this like that for now, but lets remember the hack for when we will really be annoyed again by the +10 GFDL pages. Thanks, -- Bast

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-20 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-20, o godz. 16:25:25 Marcin Borkowski napisał(a): > Can you send me the intermediate .tex file? (If not, write me that - > I'll try to install texi2dvi on my box.) OK, my fault; I thought that the process looks like this: .texi -> .tex -> dvi/pdf. So. I am not an expert at texinf

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-20 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-20, o godz. 15:00:43 Bastien napisał(a): > Hi Marcin, > > Marcin Borkowski writes: > > > I don't have working texi2dvi on my computer, so the following is > > still untested, but might be better than the previous one: > > Thanks! It actually works _somehow_. But the display is

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-20 Thread Bastien
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski writes: > I don't have working texi2dvi on my computer, so the following is still > untested, but might be better than the previous one: Thanks! It actually works _somehow_. But the display is ugly: @code{...} strings do not use the small size, and the line spacing

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-20, o godz. 03:56:18 Marcin Borkowski napisał(a): > What about > > @tex > \global\font\legalese=cmr5\global\legalese > @end tex > > ... > > @tex > \global\rm > @end tex > > ? I don't have working texi2dvi on my computer, so the following is still untested, but might be better th

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-19, o godz. 22:35:59 Bastien napisał(a): > Hi Marcin, > > Marcin Borkowski writes: > > > Just a n00b's (and IANAL's) 2cents here: what about including the > > GFDL in, say 5pt font? Yes, it is awful, but at least does not > > take up dozens of pages... > > Yes -- but I don't kno

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski writes: > Just a n00b's (and IANAL's) 2cents here: what about including the GFDL > in, say 5pt font? Yes, it is awful, but at least does not take up > dozens of pages... Yes -- but I don't know how to set the font to 5pt in .texi files. AFAIK, you can change the fon

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-19, o godz. 07:44:51 Carsten Dominik napisał(a): > Hi Alan, > > thanks for chiming in. As Achim quoted, the GFLD says that the > license should be in the document, but that makes the GFDL almost > unfit for anything below a book. > > I have asked RMS about this, and he says that t

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: > I find it very hard to believe that this must be the case. It > bothers me mostly for the guide, where I did spend a lot of time to > make it compact, and now something like one fifth of it is license > text. We may actually consider to re-release the guid

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-19 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Alan, thanks for chiming in. As Achim quoted, the GFLD says that the license should be in the document, but that makes the GFDL almost unfit for anything below a book. I have asked RMS about this, and he says that the license should be present in printed versions of the document. I find i

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-10 Thread Bastien
Achim Gratz writes: > Obviously, multicols is a LaTeX package and that code snippet was from > one of my own documents that was written directly in LaTeX. So, sadly, > I do not have any working example of how to do it in TeX, let alone > TeXinfo. So we will have to ask elsewhere to get that kin

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-10 Thread Achim Gratz
Bastien writes: > Feel free to make the change in org.texi if you know how to achieve > this in a simple way. I checked the Texinfo manual and the control > over columns and font size is rudimentary. My tests using @iftex > didn't go anywhere :/ Obviously, multicols is a LaTeX package and that c

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-10 Thread Bastien
Carsten Dominik writes: > On 9.3.2013, at 16:25, Achim Gratz wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik writes: >>> I still think it is crazy to add these 8 pages to each time someone prints >>> it >> >> It fits on exactly two pages (or front and back of one page) if wrapped in >> >> \begin{multicols}{2

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Alan L Tyree
On 10/03/13 02:11, Carsten Dominik wrote: On 9.3.2013, at 16:02, Achim Gratz wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: I am wondering, are we required to include the full text of the GFDL in the manual? I find it a big waste of space and feed that a link should do. But I have not been able to find th

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 9.3.2013, at 16:25, Achim Gratz wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: >> I still think it is crazy to add these 8 pages to each time someone prints >> it > > It fits on exactly two pages (or front and back of one page) if wrapped in > > \begin{multicols}{2} > \scriptsize > … > > and it is

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Achim Gratz
Carsten Dominik writes: > I still think it is crazy to add these 8 pages to each time someone prints > it It fits on exactly two pages (or front and back of one page) if wrapped in \begin{multicols}{2} \scriptsize … and it is still a lot more readable (even if printed out on A5 instead of A

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 9.3.2013, at 16:02, Achim Gratz wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: >> I am wondering, are we required to include the full text of the GFDL >> in the manual? I find it a big waste of space and feed that a link >> should do. But I have not been able to find the rules that say what >> needs to b

Re: [O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Achim Gratz
Carsten Dominik writes: > I am wondering, are we required to include the full text of the GFDL > in the manual? I find it a big waste of space and feed that a link > should do. But I have not been able to find the rules that say what > needs to be included in a document distributed under GFDL? h

[O] GFDL

2013-03-09 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi, I am wondering, are we required to include the full text of the GFDL in the manual? I find it a big waste of space and feed that a link should do. But I have not been able to find the rules that say what needs to be included in a document distributed under GFDL? Thanks - Carsten