Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-25 Thread Eric Fraga
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: ... a very interesting philosophical email! [...] > level. I then asked myself "What the heck is a system" and what is the > relationship it has with "process", "methodology" and "frameworks" ? [...] Others have answered to some degree or another but I thought

Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-23 Thread Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
Hi Karl, I'm 60% through the book. I'll share my insights shortly. Thank your for your definitions, they make sense :) - Marcelo. On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Karl Voit wrote: > * Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > > > > Well, looks like my text was kind of stupid and or confusing... > > N

Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-22 Thread Karl Voit
* Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > > Well, looks like my text was kind of stupid and or confusing... No. At least not to me. > Anyway, I started reading "An Introduction To General Systems Thinking" - > surprisingly interesting book, and it's helping me answer most of those > questions in deeper

Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-13 Thread Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
Hi Gustav, Not stupid, maybe a bit confusing ;) But thinking normally is, until you > reason it out. =) (And that's a process!) Thanks. Yeah, it looks more like a brainstorm :) Anywya, at least it's some food for thought. The book goes way deeper into what system thinking is by exploring the th

Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-13 Thread Gustav Wikström
Not stupid, maybe a bit confusing ;) But thinking normally is, until you reason it out. =) (And that's a process!) I wanted to write something about your mail but didn't find anything of relevance in my mind (In my system, to share your terminology ;) ). Please share your insights afterwards! /G

Re: [O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-12 Thread Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
Well, looks like my text was kind of stupid and or confusing... Anyway, I started reading "An Introduction To General Systems Thinking" - surprisingly interesting book, and it's helping me answer most of those questions in deeper ways. I needed to do some additional investigation before starting t

[O] [OT] Defining System, process, methodology and framework

2012-04-10 Thread Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
Hi guys, I know there are quite a few smart brains around here, and I think this is valid discussion for this mailing list, even if OT. I'm not a cientist, nor work inside an academic environment. I'm just a regular guy trying to understand this world and making better use of my resources, specia