Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Daniel Foré
Rico, The problem is that currently the theme is shared for all users, so you would need admin privileges to adjust this. Definitely not desirable. I've filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/plank/+bug/1053801 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Rico Tzschichholz wrote: > Cassidy, > > Pla

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Rico Tzschichholz
Cassidy, Plank doesn't actually support hiding the indicators. What I meant is if elementary decides to hide them then there should be a way to unhide them if needed. Which means the shell-plug would have to provide such an option (toggle between a reasonable indicator size and 0) Am 2012-09-20 1

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Cassidy James
Rico, Functionally that's the same, sure. But I think the idea is that it should be a setting instead of a theming hack. Users should be able to say, "I want to display running indicators" and flip a switch to do so. On Sep 20, 2012 10:44 AM, "Rico Tzschichholz" wrote: > Setting the size to 0 is

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Rico Tzschichholz
Setting the size to 0 is fairly the same as having them disabled. So I don't really see the need in such an extra key, although adding one is easy. If you insist please file an elementary-tagged bug. Rico Am 20.09.2012 01:49, schrieb Daniel Foré: > Well the idea is that our default apps already m

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Andrea Basso
Just to add something, indicators are also useful to show that an app has requested your attention while you were away (for example, if you were pinged on irc), so I'd say the red one should remain. About "normal" ones I agree with shnatsel, let's keep them till we can provide a real no-minimize en

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-20 Thread Jakob Eriksson
+1 on this and +1 on de-branded names on apps. On September 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM Sam Tate wrote: > In the long run (L+1 or even L+2), I want there to be no difference between > an open and closed app -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-19 Thread Daniel Foré
Well the idea is that our default apps already more-or-less behave like this and we're kind of pushing 3rd party devs to follow along. But it sounds like overall there is a pretty strong desire for the option to re-enable them for now. Which I think is 100% fair considering we're in the very begin

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-19 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
I'm sorry, please disregard the previous message. -- Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-19 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/9/19 Craig > Isn't that kind of like pulling all street signs/traffic lights in excited > anticipation for the day when cars have traffic data projected onto the > windshield via HUD? > Gala's workspace management provides a sufficient alternative right now. But in the long run BFQ and http

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-19 Thread Craig
Isn't that kind of like pulling all street signs/traffic lights in excited anticipation for the day when cars have traffic data projected onto the windshield via HUD? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Sam Tate wrote: > In the long run (L+1 or even L+2), I want there to be no difference > between

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-19 Thread Sam Tate
In the long run (L+1 or even L+2), I want there to be no difference between an open and closed app. Computers are fast enough now (esp. with Luna) that you don't really notice the extra delay when you open an app rather than restoring from Minimize. I also want apps to save their state for when you

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread ttosttos Sa
+1 on running app indicators unless a simple, _mouse only_ expose for app windows is available (e.g. long hover over dock icon exposing running screens). There are useful apps that don't support tabs and, even for those that do, you may still want to run multiple windows with different parameters

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Craig
Ill have to think on that more, but on first thought I think it's a good idea to indicate them on the launcher as the presence of a running app changes the behavior of that particular launcher. (Launching a new window versus focusing on an existing one). Spatial concerns can be addressed by using

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Voldyman
> Luna is so good on resources that it hardly matters if an app is open or not > and you can easily see if something is open from Gala's Workspace Overview > since minimize isn't part of our regular workflow. Its not a matter of resources but of usability. When ever i have more windows/applicat

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/9/18 satch...@gmail.com > +1. In fact, I'd go one step further and propose that elementary take the > lead in adopting the (IMO, much needed) one-application-one-window > paradigm. Things get incredibly confusing and cluttered with a whole mess > of windows. If not, the minimise/unminimise t

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread satch...@gmail.com
+1. In fact, I'd go one step further and propose that elementary take the lead in adopting the (IMO, much needed) one-application-one-window paradigm. Things get incredibly confusing and cluttered with a whole mess of windows. If not, the minimise/unminimise thing makes most sense (though, again, w

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/9/18 Cody Garver > I end up with 3 or 4 browser windows with the same tabs open because I > lose them. Maybe this could be avoided if Plank un-minimized windows on > icon click instead of keeping them minimized. > +1, I'd like Plank to switch windows instead of minimizing them on clicking t

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Cody Garver
I end up with 3 or 4 browser windows with the same tabs open because I lose them. Maybe this could be avoided if Plank un-minimized windows on icon click instead of keeping them minimized. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff < ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote: > I'd prefer

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
I'd prefer to keep the indicators for now. I'd be glad to personally send them to /dev/null as soon as we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/memory-lending, but until that's done I have to keep my eyes open for memory and I/O hogs, even with zramswap. Since expo shows only win

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Sergio Spinatelli
I've been using Luna for quite a bit and i would love to have the option to see the indicators..sometimes it's easier and quicker to just reveal the dock than using the window switcher (i personally don't like hotcorners,i really hate it when i accidentally activate them..)..plus,choice is always g

[Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators

2012-09-18 Thread Daniel Foré
Hey Guys, I've seen a few mails/reports about the current lack of running app indicators in Luna. I wanted to get a feel for how people who have been using Luna for a while feel about it. Namely, is this something people are complaining about because they expect it and aren't used to it yet, or is