the box that runs my mailsever just reported disk > 80% full , so looking to
tidy up. I note:
sudo du -d2 -k -x /home/graeme/mail | sort -n
...
...
66788 /home/graeme/mail/.imap/spam
198328 /home/graeme/mail/.imap
1564680 /home/graeme/mail/2023
4009336 /home/graeme/mail
Now in .imap I have
On 15/08/24 00:07, Marc via dovecot via dovecot wrote:
we are releasing a CVE patch release 2.3.21.1.
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz.sig
Binary packages in https://repo.dovecot.org/
Docker images in https
On 14/08/24 23:25, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote:
Hi all,
we are releasing a CVE patch release 2.3.21.1.
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz.sig
Binary packages in https://repo.dovecot.org/
Docker images in https
> On 14/08/24 23:25, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > we are releasing a CVE patch release 2.3.21.1.
> >
> > https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz
> > https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz.sig
> >
On 7/09/24 00:55, Marc via dovecot wrote:
On 14/08/24 23:25, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote:
Hi all,
we are releasing a CVE patch release 2.3.21.1.
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz
https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.21.1.tar.gz.sig
Binary packages in https
> >> Tests failing when attempting to build for both EL8 and 9:
> >
> > When is 2.4 for el9 expected?
>
> GhettoForge will release it after the general availablility of 2.4.
> Others from Dovecot have stated that it will be available directly from
> the dovecot ce repos once 2.4 is released.
>
B
Hi there,
I've set up dovecot via global sieve scripts to send mails that a user manually
moved to their junk directory to rspamd to learn them as spam (and learn
messages as ham if they are moved out of it). I thought I had it all properly
set up, but I'm now again seeing log messages like th
Hi, I'm in a situation whereas I need to backup my email from an IMAP
server to a POP3 email client of my choosing. I'm hoping Dovecot can do
such a task and is there a container to which I can run to set this up
from ?
My IMAP email server is maxed and I need to dump all the emails off the
I
Am 16.09.24 um 04:54 schrieb Reprobus via dovecot:
Hi, I'm in a situation whereas I need to backup my email from an IMAP
server to a POP3 email client of my choosing. I'm hoping Dovecot can do
such a task and is there a container to which I can run to set this up
from ?
My IMAP em
On sön, 2024/09/15 at 14:30:19 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
> I've set up dovecot via global sieve scripts to send mails that a user
> manually moved to their junk directory to rspamd to learn them as spam
> (and learn messages as ham if they are moved out of it). I thought
it code 1
right before the other error messages. But it's not impossible that rspamc
doesn't successfully execute, as rspamd currently has some weird issues where I
have to wait for the developer to respond.
On 15.09.24 23:05, Tom Hendrikx via dovecot wrote:
Does the rspamc program
I did forget to mention both shell scripts have rwx, rwx, - permissions. manually
executing rspamc does result in a "IO read error: unexpected EOF". So yet
another issue to add to the list I guess...
Richard
On 16.09.24 09:07, Aki Tuomi wrote:
Did you remember to set +x on the rspamd-learn-s
On 16.09.24 09:50, Sirius wrote:
On sön, 2024/09/15 at 14:30:19 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
I've set up dovecot via global sieve scripts to send mails that a user
manually moved to their junk directory to rspamd to learn them as spam
(and learn messages as ham if they are moved out
On mån, 2024/09/16 at 11:41:24 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
>
> On 16.09.24 09:50, Sirius wrote:
> > On sön, 2024/09/15 at 14:30:19 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
[snip]
> > I do the same as you.
>
> Not exactly. I'm on rspamd 3.9.1-1~82f43560f~bookworm. From
This actually helped.
So I'm not entirely sure when my method stopped working, but for all I can tell
it used to work. Now this has changed. I've changed rspamd-learn-spam.sh to
this:
#!/bin/sh
exec /usr/bin/rspamc -h localhost:11333 -P learn_spam
Manually testing this now works better, so
So, there was actually one piece missing to fully solve this puzzle. For whatever reason,
the guide I used back when I set up the scripts put "exec" in front of the
actual command. Not sure what it does, but it's garbage in this scenario. As far as I
read it somehow replaces bash with whatever
On 16.09.24 13:07, Sirius wrote:
On mån, 2024/09/16 at 11:41:24 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
On 16.09.24 09:50, Sirius wrote:
On sön, 2024/09/15 at 14:30:19 +0200, Richard via dovecot wrote:
[snip]
I do the same as you.
Not exactly. I'm on rspamd 3.9.1-1~82f43560f~bookworm.
Hello,
I want to deactivate the auth-system.conf.ext because it slows down the system
and makes no sense because I utilize passwdfile.conf.ext.
I have put all my configurations into the local.conf file, and all the original
configuration files remain untouched. I want to stay on this path be
> so you edit something ?
Nope - not in the original files! I created a "local.conf" where I put in every
configuration. And there I want to overrule the "auth-system.conf.ext",
activated by default in the " conf.d/10-auth.conf".
> edit conf.d/10-auth.conf change line with auth-system.conf.ext s
On Wed, 2024/10/09 at 14:19:22 +0300, Сергей Сергей via dovecot wrote:
> Hello. Tell me how to set up mail aliases so that mail from one mailbox is
> forwarded to another mailbox. What configs need to be edited and what to
> enter.
> Thank you
That depends, I think, on how you hav
my program sends messages via Dovecot + Postfix .
Sometimes it can try to send more than 300 messages at one time.
The result is a message: Error working with IMAP . Error code: 9 Server
response: Logged In
What could it be? a limitation? what?
and I don't see any specifics in the
Hello,
I am getting the following error on my dovecot LMTP server, upon delivery from
my postfix mailserver:
Oct 6 03:31:09 m dovecot[36551]: lmtp: Fatal: Error reading configuration:
read(/var/run/dovecot/config) failed: read(size=8192) failed: Interrupted
system call - Also failed to read c
I am adding a namespace with LAYOUT=index to an existing configuration, and get
this notification:
LAYOUT=index requires mailbox_list_index=yes
Maybe better to just not risk it and add LAYOUT=fs to my existing
mail_location=mdbox: lines?
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Hello. My sieve script gives an error; "failed with unsuccessful implicit
keep". Here is maillog file output;
(Yes my user does has quota exceeded, but is this the issue for the sieve
script and is it normal for the script give such output?)
postfix dovecot: lda(m...@mydomain.com)<50709>: siev
I fixed the problem I had.
My mail server no longer rejects emails I receive to my username written in
large cap e.g. usern...@domain.com.
In the file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf I had:
auth_username_format = %n
I updated that line to:
auth_username_format = %Ln
which, I
I don't have an ALT specified in the mail location of the shared namespace.
Also when I add there ALT= I keep getting these checks. Also creating empty
file there creates this error.
Error: t_readlink(//mdbox/dbox-alt-root) failed: readlink()
I don't really like the idea of creating a s
financial program sends messages. the number of recipients is always 3, but
there are many letters. I don't see anything special in the logs. The
recipients receive an error message. Yes, all sent messages are saved in the
sent folder
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ad known what would come of the request, I would not have made it :)
In the future, after an update, I will simply look in the file or log to see if
the option is activated again.
Thank you for your support!
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Benny Pedersen via dovecot
Gesendet: Montag, 1
I am getting this error. This file does not exist.
Error: t_readlink(/xx/dbox-alt-root) failed: readlink() failed: Permission
denied
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oes not know some mailbox formats, so if you are using mdbox you have
to go through lmtp.
> From your config, you are
> using postfix? In which case what is the setting for home_mailbox on
> /etc/postfix/main.cf?
>
>
> On 29/10/2024 10:10, LCN via dovecot wrote:
> > Wi
The incoming mails now go into ~/Maildir/ with parameter "home_mailbox =
Maildir/" added to /etc/postfix/main.cf.
Thank you very much!
I would like to close this case and start to learn LMTP and more.
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X-Sieve: Pigeonhole Sieve
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With configuration "mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir", incoming mails are
always saved to /var/mail/%u , which are invisible to Thunderbird.
How do I configure Dovecot to save incoming mails to ~/Maildir/cur/ and
~/Maildir/new/ ?
Thank you in advance!
context:
I replaced my host recently.
V
Hi,
Is it possible to make IMAP quota commands report free filesystem space? I
don't want to set quota limits to individual users, but it would be nice to
have an information on the bottom of Thunderbird window about free disk space
(it could be percentage of the total disk size).
Anyway I hav
w the process works.
Dean.
On 2024-10-31 12:25 pm, Steven Varco via dovecot wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm planing to upgrade/migrate my dovecot cluster with two dovecot 2.2.36
> nodes to 2.3.16.
> They use Maildir als IMAP backend and will continue to use that in the future.
>
Is it possible to make IMAP quota commands report free filesystem space? I
don't want to set quota limits to individual users, but it would be nice to
have an information on the bottom of Thunderbird window about free disk
space (it could be percentage of the total disk size).
The quota is a s
Anyway I have trouble with quota reporting itself, because I tried to setup
a regular quota (100G) first, but somehow Thunderbird doesn't report free
quota as it does in case of Gmail accounts.
I added to 20-imap.conf:
protocol imap {
mail_plugins = $mail_plugins quota imap_quota
Hi,
I'm trying to block specific MUAs, like e.g. Outlook-App for iOS and Android or
Xiaomi Mail / MiMail using a lua script.
While implementing this, I noticed that "client_id" is always nil in the lua
script or I am doing something wrong.
This is part of the postfix config:
imap_id_retain = ye
Hi,
I am new to Dovecot and Debian, but I seem to have got Dovecot up and running
with local delivery and then switched to LMTP. I am running Debian 12.7 and
Webmin 2.202 to try and get things running, but I've had to tweak files. Also
Webmin did not install dovecot-lmtpd, dovecot-sieve or dovec
Hi,
I'm working on aggregating event logs and trying to correlate all related
events using session IDs. However, I’m struggling with some events as they're
missing the session ID.
1. proxy_session_* events lack a session ID field, making it difficult to pair
them with auth_request_* events.
2. w
Hi all & thanks Aki for adding me to the list.
First of all, I'm not a dovecot user yet.
For several years now I use cyrus imapd and never saw the urge to
switch, until I recently lost random mails from my mailbox which were
neither temporally connected nor related in some other way.
Fortuna
> - NOT expunging the emails that have been marked as deleted on the slave
> server or expunging only manually
Yes I think it is depending on your storage format (mdbox only?). I am running
"doveadm purge -u" every two months. If I would make a new server I would also
use the LAYOUT=index this
> First of all, I'm not a dovecot user yet.
> For several years now I use cyrus imapd and never saw the urge to
> switch, until I recently lost random mails from my mailbox which were
> neither temporally connected nor related in some other way.
>
What do you mean lost? And how do you know it is
Hi Marc,
thanks for your answers.
On 11.11.24 15:47, Marc wrote:
Yes I think it is depending on your storage format (mdbox only?). I
am running "doveadm purge -u" every two months. If I would make a
new server I would also use the LAYOUT=index this does not give you
issues with mailbox names,
On Tue, 2024/11/12 at 03:45:57 +0100, Ralph Seichter via dovecot wrote:
> * Hua Young via dovecot:
>
> > where can I setup dovecot to auto clear trash periodically?
>
> See the doveadm-expunge(1) manual page for one possible way to do that,
> when combined with a cron job
> I am pretty new to Dovecot and totally new to LMTP. I have normal
> delivery working but I am struggling with aliases. In my mail queue I am
> seeing things like:
>
> But in my /etc/aliases, I am aliasing clamav to nick and
> n...@mydomain.com is a valid mail box that can receive normal mail.
>
> Mail already in the queue will need to be reprocessed with
> postsuper -r ALL
>
> Or just delete it and test again.
>
his problem is low uid number
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How to get the X-Original-To: header added for LMTP?
I tried adding:
lda_original_recipient_header = X-Original-To
But that didn't add the header for mail over LMTP. I couldn't find anything
else in the docs.
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On Tue, 2024/11/12 at 10:11:00 +, Nick Howitt via dovecot wrote:
> On 12/11/2024 07:12, Sirius via dovecot wrote:
> > On Tue, 2024/11/12 at 03:45:57 +0100, Ralph Seichter via dovecot wrote:
> > DATESTR=$(date --date='TZ="UTC" 0 2 week ago' +'%d-%b-%Y
On 12/11/24 20:18, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote:
There is an experimental feature in main branch, but you need to enable it
yourself for now. We are likely going to release 2.4 packages with the feature
enabled, though.
To enable, use --enable-experimental-mail-utf8 configure flag.
Is there
Hi Gerald,
Am 12.11.24 um 03:34 schrieb Gerald Galster via dovecot:
The only thing that comes close to what you want and will be available
in the future is this:
https://doc.dovecot.org/main/core/man/doveadm-backup.1.html
This looks kind of promising.
Thanks!
- Philippe
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I am creating the mailbox like this:
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest shared/sharedtest1
I can set acl's (I think), at least the acl get produces the same.
doveadm acl set -u usertest shared/sharedtest1 user=usertest6 lookup read write
write-seen insert post
doveadm a
Running
i dovecot-core 1:2.3.16+dfsg1-3ubuntu2.4
arm64secure POP3/IMAP server - core files
ii dovecot-imapd1:2.3.16+dfsg1-3ubuntu2.4
arm64secure POP3/IMAP server - IMAP daemon
ii dovecot-lmtpd
this seems to show
doveadm mailbox list -u usertest6
Trash
Sent
NotSpam
Drafts
Junk
Shared
UserShares
UserShares/usertest
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest3
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest1
UserShares/usertest/sharedtest2
INBOX
But thunderbird / roundcube show nothing. Any idea's why?
_
>
>
> On 23-09-2024 10:30, Marc via dovecot wrote:
> > this seems to show
> > doveadm mailbox list -u usertest6
> >
> > Trash
> > Sent
> > NotSpam
> > Drafts
> > Junk
> > Shared
> > UserShares
> > UserShares/usert
also bug/no acl support in accessing index
dovecot[28746]: imap(usertest6)<29630>: Error:
fchown(/shared/usertest/index/mailboxes.lockcfcdcd07648b68e0,
group=10001(usertest)) failed: Operation not permitted (egid=10006, group based
on /shared/usertest/mdbox - see http://wiki2.dovecot.or
postlogin.sh is a No-OP, ie one line, "exit 0"
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hello Aki, thanks for repsonse. dovecot -n inline.
There is an auth formt line
Ivan
2.3.16 (7e2e900c1a): /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
# Pigeonhole version 0.5.16 (09c29328)
# OS: Linux 6.8.0-1015-aws aarch64 Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS ext4
# Hostname: localhost
auth_debug = yes
auth_debug_passwords =
I'm looking for how to take the email and send it to an email client of choice ?
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My mistake.
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>
> I am creating the mailbox like this:
>
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
> shared/sharedtest1
>
> I can set acl's (I think), at least the acl get produces the same.
>
> doveadm acl set -u usertest shared/sharedtest1 user=usertest6 lookup read
> write write-seen ins
Compact in Thunderbird, can't I start up any email client; in this case a
client on my NAS and have them unloaded off IMAP into this email client ?
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It doesn't look as if IMAP is supported ?
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I use the term POP3 very loose cause the email client in question which I want
all my emails (IMAP) to be unloaded off and downloaded directed into an POP3
client.
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> It doesn't look as if IMAP is supported ?
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I am cleaning a bit my sieve scripts and wondered if I should stick to this
solution
sieve_before =
sieve_before2 =
sieve_before3 =
or just one
sieve_before =
and put all scripts in this one. What are the advantages / disadvantages of
doing this?
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>
> I have some issues testing public mailboxes with linux users and groups
>
> creating mailboxes for users for the first group is not really a problem:
>
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
> public/publictest1
> doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest public/publictest1
public/mdbox/mailboxes) failed: Operation not permitted
[@public]# getfacl mdbox/
# file: mdbox/
# owner: root
# group: root
user::rwx
group::rwx
group:testgroup2:rwx
group:testgroup3:rwx
mask::rwx
other::---
_
I have some issues testing public mailboxes with linux users and groups
creating mailboxes for users for the first group is not really a problem:
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest public/publictest1
doveadm -o mail_gid=testgroup2 mailbox create -u usertest6 public/publicte
I was wondering if it is possible to execute some trigger after a mailbox is
being shared so the user is automatically subscribed to it?
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I am testing with sharing folders and constantly changing namespaces configs.
But quite regulary I am seeing these mailboxes popup
foldertest17270834637853 with sub mailbox foldertest
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I am not sure if this page is correct, looks at least like this g+s not ok
https://doc.dovecot.org/2.3/admin_manual/filesystem_permission/
work-around is to manually create dirs mdbox mdbox/storage mdbox/mailboxes. I
would think this is a bug as files seem to be created correctly.
group rights a
It was related to some memory allocation in go. When I increased the memory in
lmtp. This problem was solved. Others started to notice this after some
specific version update of go.
>
>
> Op 19-9-2024 om 22:46 schreef Marc via dovecot:
> > I am trying to modify the body of
I have made some temporary fix with a cron job that checks this every 5 min and
auto subscribes mailboxes when a user is added to the acl. But I am still
looking for something better.
>
>
> I was wondering if it is possible to execute some trigger after a mailbox
> is being shared so the u
Hi, I haven't changed anything, I compile it on x86 and arm. That is, when
compiling on the domestic Shenwei architecture, this error will occur, which
aspect should I go to check? I have checked the official website community
questions and answers, and some people have also met this problem, bu
hello
I encountered the following issue while compiling Dovecot on a Linux system
with the Shenwei architecture in China using RPM:
During the build phase, it shows:
Copy Code
checking whether fd passing works... no
configure: error: fd passing is required for Dovecot to work
The version of Doveco
How is it possible that you have problems compiling a srpm? You must have
changed something. What is even this el6? ;) If you want run dovecot on older
el6 maybe try via docker?
> I encountered the following issue while compiling Dovecot on a Linux
> system with the Shenwei architecture in Chin
>
> > I think a good work around would be using LAYOUT=INDEX then you get
> > folder names like this and you 'probably' do not have such conflicts.
> > I think this layout is also better for when people start using
> > 'weird' characters or long names. Bad thing is, you need to convert
> > everyth
>
> Example: Customer has a Folder named: ARCHIV.AdministrationXXX
>
> Folder file exists and permissions look right:
> ./ARCHIV/AdministrationXXX
>
> d delete ARCHIV.AdministrationXXX
> d OK Delete completed (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
>
> Folder file is still present and can not be deleted again.
>
I am trying to modify the body of message with a global sieve script. It looks
like that sieve-test does not generate this error, however I am not really able
to verify the output. There does not seem to be an option to catch the output
(new message)
trace log
0008:3: finishing match
# dovecot --version
2.3.21.1 (d492236fa0)
Error itself(I've replaced some data like original domains/and usernames):
Sep 20 14:24:08 lmtp(l...@forwardusr.org)<486449><+IvZKVhb7WYxbAcAZOUKzw>:
Debug: auth-master: userdb lookup(l...@forwardusr.org): Started userdb lookup
Sep 20 14:24:08 lmtp(l...
sieve-test(1164123): Fatal: Couldn't drop privileges: User is missing UID (see
mail_uid setting)
I don't get what this is about. Users are not missing an UID and how is it
related with testing sieve scripts?
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A few weeks ago we moved our mailserver to a new location. On the new location
we use now dovecot v2.3.19.1 insteadof v2.3.4.1. We moved the mailboxes by
zipping all mailbox on the old location and unzip on the new location.
Now we see an indexer error quite often:
> indexer: Error: conn u
2024-09-20T11:15:02Z Benny Pedersen via dovecot :
> you write on public free maillist, so why ?, google photos can also create
> "cards" :)
>
> in case of language problem please be more verbose on how to help with
> dovecot solve, need to chat ?, take irc :)
Pl
> Amelia Marie via dovecot skrev den 2024-09-20 08:44:
> > Free ecards from Sendwishonline.com are designed to create memorable
> > and engaging experiences. Many cards feature interactive elements, such
> > as animations and music, that enhance the recipient's exp
Hi everyone,
I found the Solution myself. The key was to simply create an unnamed
mailbox directive so that the namespace prefix directly results into an
mailbox that Thunderbirds shows as the Archive.
Thanks everbody on the dovecot team for making such a brilliant Software!
Greetings!
Christian
Hi Christian, nice you got this. I could have given you this also, but I have
this weird tree in the mail client, so I thought better not share it. I prefer
to see only 1 'Archive'
>
> I found the Solution myself. The key was to simply create an unnamed
> mailbox directive so that the namesp
What could this be, I am not even having an exit code 2 in my sieve plugin. If
I cat a message via cli I am getting exit code 0.
ps where are stderr messages logged of the plugin?
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>
> What could this be, I am not even having an exit code 2 in my sieve
> plugin. If I cat a message via cli I am getting exit code 0.
>
> ps where are stderr messages logged of the plugin?
>
script is ok
Debug: sieve: Finished running script (status=ok, resource usage: no usage
recorded)
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Can't really remember what all was wrong, but I was really surprised about it.
> -Original Message-
> From: The Doctor via dovecot
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2024 01:28
> To: dovecot@dovecot.org
> Subject: Outllok on iPhone not copying sent mesages to a Sent Items
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Gmail advertises QUOTA as an CAPABILITY upon connection before login.
Dovecot advertises QUOTA as an CAPABILITY only after login.
GPT believes this is why Tbird doesn't show the quota on the status bar,
because it's looking for the quota before login and not after.
Does anyone know if its possi
Try moving the quota outside of the protocol block.
mail_plugins = quota ...
protocol imap {
mail_plugins = $mail_plugins imap_quota
...
}
Try adding a text label for the client to use.
plugin {
quota = maildir:Quota Limit
...
}
There is a progress, but not complete.
Hi,
i try to use extended LIST command but it doesn't work out.
I wonder if there is any option necessary to enable it or some option that
prevent using extended LIST commands (for example Courier compatible namespace
config). I didn't find anything in the documentation.
Did anyone notice a si
curl -v and...
>
> < A002 OK Logged in
> > A003 LIST "" "INBOX" RETURN (STATUS (MESSAGES UNSEEN))
> < * LIST () "." INBOX
> * LIST () "." INBOX
> < * STATUS INBOX (MESSAGES 30702 UNSEEN 6649
>
> Seems curl just doesn&#x
Hello everyone,
I have a Dovecot running and can often observe that the auth process goes wrong
if a reload occurs at the moment of authentication.
I have installed dovecot 2.3.21.1 on ubuntu 20. Whether the error also occurs
under other versions, I cannot say at the moment.
I have included
As I can see, this patch already commited in git repository. Thank you! Is
there any info, when the new release will be available with this patch ?
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> > Incorrect Sent means the receiving server has correctly received the
> > transmitted message. It has nothing to do with spam or not spam.
> >
> >
> I more or less said that, you are a mail administrator yes? then you
> know
> bloody damn well that 99% of spam checks are carried out after recept
>
> >> I more or less said that, you are a mail administrator yes? then
> you know bloody damn well that 99% of spam checks are carried out
> after reception of the mail
>
> depends what you define by reception. We perform spam checks on the
> DATA portion of the mail reception and can refuse a
>
> > Microsft outlook and Google Gmail hosts most spammers on the Planet
> > Earth.
>
> Nah, the worst offenders are OVH and Contabo, followed by digital sewer,
> then gmail :)
>
If you make spf -all for gmail that helps a lot. However there are still quite
a few 'my family member is so good
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