Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-20 Thread Giuliano Gavazzi
On T 20 Jan, 2009, at 12:38 , Steffen Kaiser wrote: So you can hack sendmail. Exim, too, if I remember correctly. I would not call that hack in exim case though. It is possible to avoid all backscatter, first of all by avoiding delivery by an external programme*. This will still leave the

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-20 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: Postfix. Will it do it out of the box? No. You can add hooks to Postfix using the pre-queue content filter, milter, access policy delegation or patches so So your answer is wrong, Postfix _doesn't_ do it.

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
Charles Marcus wrote: On 1/19/2009 11:51 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: http://vda.sourceforge.net/ Just realize using this patch will void the postfix warranty (you won't get much help on the postfix list)... I've never personally used it so i can't vouch for it (I prefer using a pre-queue inte

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Marcus
On 1/19/2009 11:51 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > http://vda.sourceforge.net/ Just realize using this patch will void the postfix warranty (you won't get much help on the postfix list)... -- Best regards, Charles

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
Robert Schetterer wrote: Steffen Kaiser schrieb: On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: As a mail admin, I never want to see deliver generating its own messages to potentially forged addresses and spamming innocent people. The MTA should do this during the SMTP transaction. Which MTA tries

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
Steffen Kaiser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: As a mail admin, I never want to see deliver generating its own messages to potentially forged addresses and spamming innocent people. The MTA should do this during the SMTP transacti

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Schetterer
Steffen Kaiser schrieb: > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> As a mail admin, I never want to see deliver generating its own >> messages to potentially forged addresses and spamming innocent people. >> The MTA should do this during the SMTP transaction. > > Which MTA tries to deliver

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Giuliano Gavazzi
You message was rejected by... no thank you, I do not want ever to see this: On M 19 Jan, 2009, at 10:24 , Steffen Kaiser wrote: On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: As a mail admin, I never want to see deliver generating its own messages to potentially forged addresses and spamming in

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Marcus
On 1/18/2009 2:58 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: > 2) not even provide the option for the current default (have deliver > send bounces itself)? I assume you mean respond with an smtp-reject? My understanding of 'bounces' is they should only ever be generated by the SENDERS MTA? -- Best regards, Cha

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Timo Sirainen wrote: Is there any reason not to make (for v1.2) 1) deliver -e behavior the defaut? 2) not even provide the option for the current default (have deliver send bounces itself)? I have no objections again 1) and

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-19 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: As a mail admin, I never want to see deliver generating its own messages to potentially forged addresses and spamming innocent people. The MTA should do this during the SMTP transaction. Which MTA tries t

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-18 Thread Seth Mattinen
Timo Sirainen wrote: Is there any reason not to make (for v1.2) 1) deliver -e behavior the defaut? As long as -e still means EX_NOPERM and a new switch is picked for "send bounce ourselves". (Unless #2 happens.) 2) not even provide the option for the current default (have deliver send bou

Re: [Dovecot] deliver rejection bounces

2009-01-18 Thread Gary V
On 1/18/09, Timo Sirainen wrote: > Is there any reason not to make (for v1.2) > > 1) deliver -e behavior the defaut? > > 2) not even provide the option for the current default (have deliver send > bounces itself)? > > The only reason it even works like it does currently is because I just > mostly c