really not a reddit guy, though, I'm a mailing list guy. :-(
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ailing" kind!), Google's awful behavior, etc?
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On 03/07/24 13:50, dove...@outputservices.com wrote:
I am upgrading to postfix 3.9.0.
I have not used DKIM in previous postfix installs, but I would like to
start now with the new google rules.
I have done some research and opendkim is the most recommende
dates, so beware that updating one table may not
automatically update dependent tables.
The database part isn't an issue; I designed the schema. Thanks for
the heads-up though.
Thanks,
-Dave
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On 10/8/23 11:27, Dave McGuire wrote:
Hi folks. Our mail server's spools are structured like this:
/var/mail//
We have an existing user with a lot of mail that we need to move from
one domain to another. Our mail system is database-backed so changing
the account is trivial
the structure above from one directory to another and expect
everything to be ok? Or is there a better approach? (of course I'll do
a backup first)
Thanks,
-Dave
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and daydream
about what would happen if Google ever turned evil. Now we know.
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asy. I was hoping there was some way i could translate
individual users which would make this transition easier.
You can use that technique, though, to implement any sort of
translation table that you could build into an SQL query. Just a
suggestion.
-
This isn't exactly the functionality you want, but it illustrates the
kinds of translations that can easy be done on the database side. I've
been using a scheme like this for many years with great results.
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On 9/7/23 17:00, joe a wrote:
Any known issues with installing/running roundcube and dovecot on the
same server?
I'm running two such installations; no difficulty.
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well to pay very
close attention here.
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On 11/2/22 12:46, Jan Hugo Prins wrote:
I think the only thing they will gain is a community that is angry and
will in the end leave the product / fork the complete product.
Jan Hugo
On November 2, 2022 5:39:53 PM GMT+01:00, Brad
27;re signing and
how? I've been at my wits' end with this for some time; DKIM (and SPF
etc etc) seem to be really quite awful overall.
Thanks,
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"Windows" and "behave" in the same sentence is pretty funny to begin
with.
Millions of people use Thunderbird with Dovecot with no issues,
myself included, at this very moment.
(are you the same Dan White who used to work for me, by the way?)
-Da
On 1/8/22 12:12 PM, John Fawcett wrote:
On 08/01/2022 17:22, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 1/8/22 8:57 AM, John Fawcett wrote:
yes, blocking on the first wrong password sounds like overkill. But
it does depend on user base. For a small mail server with few known
users it could be workable.
It
endation for the sake of safety, as it's
cheap to try.
Now maybe we can get back to the OP's actual problems, which nobody
else seems to be interested in today.
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;
above is probably correct. Check the docs if that fails. Obviously,
the words in uppercase must be correct for your installation. "SERVER"
might be "localhost" for you. (it isn't for me)
One quick thing to check: Did you issue a "flush privileges" command
to MariaDB after creating the account for Roundcube to use?
See how far that gets you and report back.
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ability of
any single attack guessing the password. It doesn't necessarily have to
zero out attacks. As Dave has experimented, to bypass fail2ban all the
attacker has to do is use a different ip. 10-15K blocks in place at any
time seem very high compared to the few attacks I see.
Sigh.
ood advice for everything, not just blocking. My first
experience with blocking was on a Cisco AGS in 1994, buddy. Not a n00b.
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undcube configuration problem,
having to do with either its connection to Dovecot or possibly a
back-end database server. (MySQL?)
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#x27;s connection to Roundcube. I could be
barking up the wrong tree here, but I'm pretty sure that's the error I hit.
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The last time I hit that, I'm pretty sure it was because I was going
to port 80 instead of port 443 to reach Roundcube.
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ies and block the source IP address for a month on the
first failed login. At any one time I have between 12,000 and 15,000
addresses in my blocked list for IMAP.
Dave, that's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. Fail2ban,
huh? I'll have to check that out.
I run it under
ies and block the source IP address for a month on the first
failed login. At any one time I have between 12,000 and 15,000
addresses in my blocked list for IMAP.
-Dave
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 19:01:03 -0400
"Sean McBride" wrote:
> I have a user who accidentally used a POP client
which one?
d
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On 10/26/20 11:24 AM, Gregory Heytings wrote:
Your data is stored confidentially by Google, obviously. Otherwise
nobody would use their services.
My keyboard is now COMPLETELY saturated with coffee. Some hit my
display this time, too.
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hey look at
me weird and the most stupid response I got was 'but I am not buying it
for myself'.
coffee -> keyboard
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27;m sorry buddy, your credibility hit rock bottom in your first post,
and your subsequent posts aren't helping.
Have a nice day. *plonk*
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te evil.
It's hard to imagine anyone being that dumb, but then this society
has been surprising me a lot in recent years.
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On Tue, April 21, 2020 11:50 am, John Stoffel wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave" == Dave writes:
>
> Dave> On Thu, April 16, 2020 2:33 pm, John Stoffel wrote:
>>> Makes sense. I'm not a dovecot expert, but in terms of RHEL, have you
>>> checkd t
from backup):
drwx-- 2 dave dave 245760 Mar 10 16:56 cur
-rw-rw-r-- 1 dave dave 48744 Mar 9 14:48 dovecot.index
-rw-rw-r-- 1 dave dave 1920452 Mar 2 06:49 dovecot.index.cache
-rw-rw-r-- 1 dave dave1808 Mar 10 17:01 dovecot.index.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 dave dave 32792 Mar 9 14:48 dovecot.i
Hi, tried to Google/etc to see what to tweak.. not finding anything helpful.
So.. I've been running my private mail through a Linux server since approx
year 2000. The OS has been various flavors of Fedora or CentOS, since for
work, I have to spend all day supporting some sort of Red Hat flavor.
S
Dovecot’s own dsync.
Your life will now change forever...
> On 29 Nov 2019, at 01:48, Julian Kippels via dovecot
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for tools to migrate Mails from one IMAP-Server to
> another. Until now I have always used imapsync, but it seems very
> slow. Even over a 2x10GB
;ve tried.
Wha...? Alpine/Pine have implemented IMAP for decades; that was one
of the first IMAP implementations to see widespread use. In what way
does it appear to "not be ready for prime time"?
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0K messages in it.
I've never seen a dovecot.index.cache file grow so large; does that seem
reasonable to you?
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ear to me exactly
what is running out of what here. The output of doveconf -n is pasted
below.
Thanks,
-Dave
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# 2.2.36.1 (5d621cf65): /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
# Pigeonhole version 0.4.24 (124e06aa)
# OS: Su
wn dovecot-uidlist I imagine I might run into this
same issue anyway? Anyway, I'd like to squelch the error if I can, so
are there any thoughts as to why the lock files are having trouble with
inotify_add_watch?
-Dave
e curve prime256v1, generate and EC key with the command:
> openssl ecparam -name prime256v1 -genkey | openssl pkey -out
ecprivkey.pem
Then generate a public key out of your private EC key
> openssl pkey -in ecprivkey.pem -pubout -out ecpubkey.pem
"
-Dave
I'm going on a limb and gue
On 4/10/2019 1:32 AM, Aki Tuomi wrote:
On 9.4.2019 18.15, Dave wrote:
I've tried specifying an output file as well, per the script's
command line options,
but the output file is 0 bytes. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I *think* I'm
using it the way it's intended t
>> I've tried specifying an output file as well, per the script's
command line options,
>> but the output file is 0 bytes. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I *think* I'm
>> using it the way it's intended to be used, but maybe I'm not?!
>> -Da
k* I'm using it the way it's intended to be used,
but maybe I'm not?!
-Dave
Dovecot cannot magically encrypt your email, so it has to go thru
dovecot-lda or lmtp. Procmail can call dovecot-lda, if you don't want
to migrate to using sieve.
Aki
For anyone interested, I was able to get the encryption working on
incoming mail on my test machine using the "procmail ca
at matters, and messages are routed to
the user's Maildir folder structure using a .procmailrc in that user's
home folder.
-Dave
Dovecot cannot magically encrypt your email, so it has to go thru dovecot-lda
or lmtp. Procmail can call dovecot-lda, if you don't want to migrate to using
T
incoming messages aren't encrypted, but that messages moved into the
IMAP account DO get encrypted? Did I set up something incorrectly? I'm
using sendmail as the MTA, if that matters, and messages are routed to
the user's Maildir folder structure using a .procmailrc in that user's
home folder.
-Dave
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:06:57 +0200
Tom Sommer wrote:
> On 2018-10-22 19:58, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:48:17 +0200
> > Tom Sommer wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-10-22 12:56, María Arrea wrote:
> >>
> >> > We use sabred
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:48:17 +0200
Tom Sommer wrote:
> On 2018-10-22 12:56, María Arrea wrote:
>
> > We use sabredav for caldav+cardav and roundcube+agendav for nice
> > web ui :)
>
>
> Is Sabre still maintained?
http://sabre.io/ says 2018 is most recent version
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27;s message I just
sat there shaking my head. As for his colleague, the local McDonald's
is hiring.
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't the "final" email address, but the address prior to that
(internal aliasing on the MTA and inserted as a different header). It's a
many-to-one mapping so it couldn't just be aliased back the other way by the MTA
using a reverse path, either.
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;spooltype:/spool/location" (repeat, to
pick up any changes since first run)
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ing which ones I
can safely remove?
Thanks,
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Why not do maildir format with the Inboxes as well?
When every single email is its own file, it makes synchronization so
much easier. You could use rsync for one-way or unison for multi-master
(two-way)
Dave
On 9/26/2017 3:39 PM, David Gardner wrote:
Hi,
This (hopefully!) might be a
n
service ipset start
(create iptables rules, ipset created on boot prior to iptables, other distros
likely have similar configuration)
I've found that the slowest component tends to be fail2ban itself, which has
difficulty tracking a large number of IPs or even tailing sufficiently busy
logfiles.
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lace it with something much more suitable, I could have these people join
> the 21st Century.
I for one am finding this thread extremely entertaining. I have to
wonder how you'd sound if you came across a machine that was actually
OLD. ;)
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Hi,
I am trying to determine the correct LDAP schema I need to use to have either
mailLocation or mailboxPath available ?
Should I be just adding this to one of my own custom objectClasses ?
-- Dave
Hey folks. Is it possible/advisable to change the mdbox rotation
size on an operational mdbox spool? If so, is there any way to
"repackage" (for the lack of a better term) an existing mdbox spool to a
different rotation size?
Thanks,
-Dave
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or feature that exists only in "newer" OS releases. When
that changes, we will revisit our configuration.
Until then, it's rock solid and does everything required of it.
There are no problems to be addressed. At least here, we don't fix
things that aren't broken.
Same here Sun compiler v5.12 on SPARC. Built cleanly this morning.
I'll be upgrading from 2.2.18 this afternoon. :)
-Dave
On 02/03/2017 05:36 AM, Martin Preen wrote:
Hello,
I don't have problems building 2.2.27 on Solaris 10
(using Sun Workshop compiler 5
An elderly neighbor used to say crap like that to me every now and
then. On one particular occasion, I pointed out that I had conversed
with more than a dozen friends in half a dozen countries before
breakfast that day.
He doesn't say that anymore.
-Dave
On 01/01/2017 04:
On 16/09/2016 11:39, Dave wrote:
On pop3 logout, we're seeing log lines where the deleted count is blank
(using default pop3_logout_format), so "del=%d/%m" is displaying in the
logs as:
"del=/1186"
...
Shouldn't this be:
tab[4].
dec2str(client->deleted_count) : 0;
Shouldn't this be:
tab[4].value = client->delete_success ?
dec2str(client->deleted_count) : "0";
(very minor bug)
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; imap mail client for x86 windows 7 systems than t/b.
>
> Even better if there's an alternative client that is also supporeted
> under linux .
>
> Any ideas are welcome,
>
> TIA,
>
> s.t.
I use Claws and like it a lot. Has plugins for extensions, very fast to
wo
inally support static array sizes, and it's likely
hitting a compiler bug on the build proper?
All I can suggest is a manual configure flag toggle of the test, or that
this bug is better placed against Redhat? I haven't been able to narrow
down a reproducer on triggering the error message other than during build.
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m going about this the wrong way, I tried emailing this
directly but heard nothing back; so I'm reposting to the list as I'm
honestly not sure what established protocol is regarding code contribution.
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diff -aurN dovecot-2.2.24.orig/src/lib-dict/dict-redis.c
dovecot-2.2.24/src/
On 17/06/2016 13:39, Dave wrote:
On 16/06/2016 20:49, Dave wrote:
...
driver = sql
override_fields = proxy=y destuser=%{orig_user}
...
<"user+Junk\ Email"@domain>
will extract user in director, but passes through the unescaped:
to the backend
s here, too. Thank you very much!
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On 16/06/2016 20:49, Dave wrote:
Hi,
I'm attempting to proxy lmtp using director to hash to the same backend
as pop3/imap. My pop3/imap users are of the form:
username
and my lmtp users are of the form:
Where domain is fairly redundant but does carry some useful information.
Now,
kup.
2. Give up on passing detail via the login and instead pass the detail
via a message header to sieve.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
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and virtual
size are correct, contains a 6 part multipart/mixed with the first part
being itself a 2 part multipart/alternative, both have different
boundary ids (unfortunately I still cannot release the email itself, I'm
hoping the error will trigger on some that I can release, none so far)
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ook-no-nuls oe-ns-eoh
pop3_enable_last = no
pop3_fast_size_lookups = no
pop3_lock_session = yes
pop3_logout_format = bytes=%i/%o, top=%t/%p, retr=%r/%b, del=%d/%m,
size=%s
pop3_no_flag_updates = no
pop3_reuse_xuidl = no
pop3_save_uidl = no
pop3_uidl_format = %08Xv%08Xu
}
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On 29/04/2016 14:57, Matthias Fechner wrote:
> Am 29.04.2016 um 15:49 schrieb Dave:
>>
>> For example, say you have a query like:
>>
>> password_query = SELECT hash AS password, NULLIF(active = 1, 'y') AS
>> nologin FROM users WHERE name = '%u
vice to set password
to NULL to satisfy the field requirement on nopassword. Any thoughts?
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ed and
>>>> automatically installed if enabled.
>>>
>>> That's excellent news, because hell will freeze over before systemd is
>>> introduced to official slackware releases
>>
>> Or Solaris, for that matter.
>
> Thank you for your feedback on this matter. We will keep this in mind.
Thank you Aki.
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and
>> automatically installed if enabled.
>
> That's excellent news, because hell will freeze over before systemd is
> introduced to official slackware releases
Or Solaris, for that matter.
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on Mon Jan 18 2016, Timo Sirainen wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2016, at 23:19, Dave Abrahams wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using dovecot as a local mail store on my laptop using preauth
>> tunneling. It turns out I almost don't even need to start dovecot
on Sun Jan 17 2016, Dave Abrahams wrote:
> on Sun Jan 17 2016, "A. Schulze" wrote:
>
>> Dave Abrahams:
>>
>>> The only thing is, I keep getting these in var/log/mail.log:
>>>
>>> anvil: Fatal: chroot(/Users/dave/brew/var/run/dovecot/
on Sun Jan 17 2016, "A. Schulze" wrote:
> Dave Abrahams:
>
>> The only thing is, I keep getting these in var/log/mail.log:
>>
>> anvil: Fatal: chroot(/Users/dave/brew/var/run/dovecot/empty)
>> failed: Operation not permitted
>> master:
an run
it as an unprivileged user, so long as I turn them all off:
# We don't want to serve any protocols, so we don't bind to any ports.
# We can run everything as me.
protocols =
default_login_user = dave
default_internal_user = dave
The only thing is, I keep getting these in v
g one thing and doing it right.
>>
>> Thank you for such great software.
>>
>> SteveT
>
> Hey, you know what? It's never a bad time to join in and say a simple:
> Thank you!
Agreed! Thank you!
-Dave
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Does anyone else here have a need to allow shell users to change their
imap/pop3 passwords? I came up with a little thing that works similarly
to regular passwd(1), dovepasswd, which can be found at
https://github.com/DavidGriffith/dovepasswd. It does the job for me and
I'd love for other p
On 07/04/2015 05:59, John Lewis wrote:
Every time a user logs into Dovcot's IMAP service PAM closes the session
immediately after it opens. I would like a user to have a session open long
enough to read some emails.
I don't know if it is still the case for no super user login to imap
servers
On 03/04/2015 04:33 PM, Professa Dementia wrote:
> On 3/4/2015 12:45 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>There is. But I already have a firewall, running on bulletproof
>> hardware that doesn't depend on spinning disks. I don't want to add
>> ANOTHER firewall when I al
gt;
>>> so there should be some
>>> sort of netfilter available which you can put in front of your listening
>>> ports.
>>
>>There is. But I already have a firewall, running on bulletproof
>> hardware that doesn't depend on spinning disks. I don't want to add
>> ANOTHER firewall when I already have a perfectly good one. Besides, my
>> mail server is built for...serving mail. Not being a firewall.
>>
> Well, from an academic point of view, a network service that denies
> connection on the ip layer is also an ip firewall.
In a real-world datacenter at 3AM, academic points of view seldom, if
ever, come into play.
-Dave
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un it under Solaris.
> so there should be some
> sort of netfilter available which you can put in front of your listening
> ports.
There is. But I already have a firewall, running on bulletproof
hardware that doesn't depend on spinning disks. I don't want to add
ANOTHER firewall when I already have a perfectly good one. Besides, my
mail server is built for...serving mail. Not being a firewall.
-Dave
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ng
Linux, you know. It may be hard to accept, but that's the way it is.
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ility is as difficult, if not
> more so, than letting your firewall handle it.
I'm not disagreeing with you. As I stated above, getting new rules
into my firewall in an automated way is not something I've found a good
way to do yet. Granted, it has been a couple of years since I&
ch gives fast lookups. (well, at least that's
what it used the last time I looked at its internals)
I myself just want a mechanism to deny certain IP addresses when I
spot them, regardless of the implementation. But anything that offloads
my mail servers from anything that doesn't
VAX running BSD", in which programmers everywhere wrote code
that assumed EVERYONE was running that platform. Today we fight the
"all the world's an x86_64 box with a gazillibyte of memory running
Linux" mentality in exactly the same way. It's not any more palatable
now tha
gt;
> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/PasswordDatabase/ExtraFields/AllowNets
>
> then setup fail2ban to manage extrafields
Now that's a very interesting idea, thank you! I will investigate this.
-Dave
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stion assumes that I use iptables (I
don't), I run firewalls on my servers (I don't; I run them on routers)
and that I run Linux on my mail server (I don't).
The other side of this equation, Postfix, has had this capability
for years. Why it hasn't been added to dovecot is a m
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Jan Wideł wrote:
W dniu 2014-12-14 12:31, Dave G. napisał(a):
When I login through imap, I can see everything in ~/mail/ just fine.
I cannot save to any of them. If I have an autocreate-autosubscribe
folder (ZZZ here), it shows up as empty (correct). Then if I save
When I login through imap, I can see everything in ~/mail/ just fine. I
cannot save to any of them. If I have an autocreate-autosubscribe folder
(ZZZ here), it shows up as empty (correct). Then if I save something to
it through imap, a file ~/mail/ZZZ appears, but nothing actually gets
sav
Thank you all for your assistance.
I was able to locate another web site that mentioned I needed to compile
dovecot with my openldap libraries.
I then compiled dovecot in the following manner:
CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/openldap/include \
LDFLAGS='-L/usr/local/openldap/lib -R/usr/local/openldap/lib'
Hello again dovecot list ;)
I've recently upgraded my dovecot version from 2.1.7 to 2.2.13.
both versions where installed from source.
I upgraded why attempting to get lmtp working. I ultimately just coped
the executable lmtp to the location that dovecot was expecting it to be
in. but then the
Thanks for the quick reply,
Finaly I retried with
./configure --with-lmtp=yes
and suddenly I have lmtp in the /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/ directory.
On 19/09/14 15:34, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
I'd say that the application is wrong:
did you've updated the /etc/init.d script? Maybe it points to
Hi dovecot users,
I've decided to re-install my dovecot-imapd server with lmtp functionality
I've been looking at my dovecot source, it certainly contains an lmtp
sub folder.
I've looked at the details for the config of lda, and I wonder why
(particularly as I installed from source) dovecot
On 19/09/14 11:42, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
Usually, you see how Debian compiles the source - the ./configure
options . But I wonder if you want to overwrite the system places.
That's you decision. I would: use the LDA now, in order to get the
server to work. Then use a test system for the LMTP s
@Steffen,
Thanks for your input, and please excuse my clearly stupid questions.. ;)
The files q1.. belong to ~/mail/new/ . Exim does not spool them as
Maildir. I would recommend to use Dovecot LDA or LMTP.
where / how do I get that to work ?
I've added the required stuff to the dovecot and ex
Dear dovecot users.
I have an odd issue in that when I connect to my dovecot server from
either a local or remote system I can't see my test emails (I have the
impression that is is looking at the wrong location on disk).
here are some details
# dovecot -n
# 2.1.7: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.c
Dear dovecot list.
I'm setting up my own VPS and working through getting mail to work.
Here is my dovecot -n
$dovecot -n
maildir:%h/%d/%n/mail : layout=fs
# 2.1.7: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
# OS: Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 x86_64 Debian 6.0.3
auth_debug = yes
auth_debug_passwords = yes
auth_mech
popular these days" because most
of the current inhabitants of the Internet are drooling morons who think
the Internet and the WWW are the same thing, and that it's all one big
TV. They'd never understand the concepts of Usenet in the first place.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
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