[DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Jakob Schlyter
As we've seen to good summary on requirements for on a well-behaved DNS delegation of a domain name, Patrik Wallström and myself has written an Internet-Draft [1] describing such requirements. The requirements were developed within the CENTR Test Requirements Task Force (TRTF) and most of the

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 8 Feb 2016, at 9:57, Jakob Schlyter wrote: At this point, we're seeking more public comments - on this mailing list (unless the chairs disapproves), on the our issue tracker [4] or via email to the authors. Thanks a lot for this work. I certainly would like dnsop to work on this. I

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Shane Kerr
Jakob, At 2016-02-08 09:57:15 +0100 Jakob Schlyter wrote: > As we've seen to good summary on requirements for on a well-behaved DNS > delegation of a domain name, Patrik Wallström and myself has written an > Internet-Draft [1] describing such requirements. The requirements were > developed wi

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <3a6ef5a0-928c-4f10-bd68-265dae87f...@kirei.se>, Jakob Schlyter writ es: 7.4 is per DNSSEC algorithm in the DS RRset. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org ___

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Jakob Schlyter
On 8 feb. 2016, at 11:00, Ralf Weber wrote: > I would soften some of language and have a question. > > 5.1. There are use cases where the serial number rarely if ever is the same > on all servers and it's only really used inside communication for a given > domain and not during resolution. So

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Ólafur Guðmundsson
Jakob, Patrik thanks for writing this up, a great start. On first read this document seems to be duplicating what is in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1912 It is hard to see what is new and what is the same. There are number of assumptions in the current draft, that only apply when the DNS conten

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Patrik Wallström
Olafur, > On 08 Feb 2016, at 13:57, Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote: > > Jakob, Patrik > thanks for writing this up, a great start. > > On first read this document seems to be duplicating what is in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1912 > It is hard to see what is new and what is the same. Yes, som

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Ray Bellis
On 08/02/2016 12:07, Jakob Schlyter wrote: > On 8 feb. 2016, at 11:00, Ralf Weber wrote: >> 6.2 The name servers SHOULD NOT belong to the same AS I would drop >> that requirement altogether or make it a MAY. We really should not >> tell people how to build networks from the DNS world. > > I wo

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:00 AM Ralf Weber wrote: > Moin! > > On 8 Feb 2016, at 9:57, Jakob Schlyter wrote: > > At this point, we're seeking more public comments - on this mailing > > list (unless the chairs disapproves), on the our issue tracker [4] or > > via email to the authors. > Thanks a lot

[DNSOP] Siting name servers

2016-02-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 8 Feb 2016, at 4:07, Jakob Schlyter wrote: 6.2 The name servers SHOULD NOT belong to the same AS I would drop that requirement altogether or make it a MAY. We really should not tell people how to build networks from the DNS world. I would agree, but on the other hand it's apparent that a l

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any and DO=0

2016-02-08 Thread Tony Finch
Evan Hunt wrote: > > Choose an arbitrary (preferably determinate) rrset to return, and > include its covering signature if it exists and DO=1 so the response can > validate. Right. My code currently just picks the first RRtype it gets from the backend data store (or the type covered if the first

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any and DO=0

2016-02-08 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > > Doing anything more determinate would require an extra loop over the data > to choose, before the loop that builds the response. (Actually I can > probably avoid two loops if I'm clever.) I didn't think I cared enough to > do that. However som

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any and DO=0

2016-02-08 Thread Ólafur Guðmundsson
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Tony Finch wrote: > Another question: > > In order to minimize responses even further, I have made my code omit or > include signature records depending on whether DO=0 or DO=1. That is, and > ANY query with DO=0 gets one arbitrary unsigned RRset in response, and a

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any and DO=0

2016-02-08 Thread Tony Finch
Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote: > Tony: the draft says right now: [...] > > Is that not sufficient ? The most relevant bit in the current draft is: If the DNS query includes DO=1 and the QNAME corresponds to a zone that is known by the responder to be signed, a valid RRSIG for the RRSets in

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any and DO=0

2016-02-08 Thread bert hubert
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 10:37:09AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: > Or just having the TCP implementation in BIND get improved as it’s clear there > are some more people pushing in this direction. I’m looking at just putting > something like DNSDIST on my hosts to process TCP and balance it across > mu

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Darcy Kevin (FCA)
My 2 cents… I don’t think any DNS RFC should be tied to any specific element of Internet routing technology. Keep it relatively generic and avoid mention of “ASes” and the like, since this RFC may outlive the use of ASes for Internet routing. ”Path diversity”, “link diversity”, “network-level r

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Delegation Requirements

2016-02-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:38 PM Darcy Kevin (FCA) wrote: > My 2 cents… > > > > I don’t think any DNS RFC should be tied to any specific element of > Internet routing technology. Keep it relatively generic and avoid mention > of “ASes” and the like, since this RFC may outlive the use of ASes for >