Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-26 Thread Tony Finch
Grant Taylor wrote: > > What is your opinion on blindly grafting the sub-domain onto the parent zone > without proper delegation. Asking for trouble. We used to do that in the dim and distant past but not any more because it's incompatible with DNSSEC. > As I type this I wonder about delegating

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-25 Thread Scott Morizot
On wrote: > On 07/25/2018 05:18 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > >> I recommend having an empty public view of your private zone, so that >> external queries succeed with NXDOMAIN / NODATA. >> > > ACK. > > What is your opinion on blindly grafting the sub-domain onto the parent > zone without proper delegat

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-25 Thread Grant Taylor
On 07/25/2018 05:18 AM, Tony Finch wrote: I recommend having an empty public view of your private zone, so that external queries succeed with NXDOMAIN / NODATA. ACK. What is your opinion on blindly grafting the sub-domain onto the parent zone without proper delegation. I.e. internal DNS serv

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-25 Thread Tony Finch
Grant Taylor wrote: > > Is there a best practice around this method of delegating to sub-domain(s) > that are inaccessible to the public? I recommend having an empty public view of your private zone, so that external queries succeed with NXDOMAIN / NODATA. Returning REFUSED for a private zone cau

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor
Paul, On 07/24/2018 10:10 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: i also use real domains for my private stuff. but i also use RPZ locally for the internal bindings, Do you leverage anything like Dynamic DNS updates in conjunction with DHCP? If so, how well does that play with the configuration that you're u

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor
On 07/24/2018 09:08 AM, Petr Špaček wrote: I would recommend you to use subdomain of your public domain. Agreed. The alternative might be to use a different public domain. Nice thing is that this approach doesn't require: - views - forwarding - explicit trust anchor (if you want DNSSEC insid

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > >> > i also use real domains for my private stuff. but i also use RPZ locally > for the internal bindings, not NS RR delegations that i'd have to keep out > of my externally-served zone files I had forgotten our threat intelligence teams

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Paul Vixie
Tim Wicinski wrote: At my employer we use real domains, but do not expose them to the outside world (they just see 127.0.0.1). It's a better than inverting security through obscurity like I have seen elsewhere (not that you would do that Andreas). Paul, I am not with 100% love of the .al

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Andreas, One problem with using non-unique namesapaces is that if you ever find yourself needing to join your infrastructure to someone else's you run the risk of collisions. [This is an analogue to the problem at the IP layer with using RFC 1918 addresses -- if I'm already using 192.168.1

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
At my employer we use real domains, but do not expose them to the outside world (they just see 127.0.0.1). It's a better than inverting security through obscurity like I have seen elsewhere (not that you would do that Andreas). Paul, I am not with 100% love of the .alt name./idea but I do agre

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Tony Finch
Petr Špaček wrote: > > My operational experience indicates that it is easiest to just use > "corp.example.com.", "office.example.com.", or even "i.example.com.". We use private.cam.ac.uk. > Nice thing is that this approach doesn't require: > - views We have an empty version of private.cam.ac.uk

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Paul Vixie
i do not love the https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-10 draft, but i would love even less to see it reinvented in our ignorance. re: Ted Lemon wrote: It would probably be easier to get internal.arpa, similar to home.arpa. You could use home.arpa now, but it would

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
It would probably be easier to get internal.arpa, similar to home.arpa. You could use home.arpa now, but it would look a little funny... :) On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:52 AM, A. Schulze wrote: > Hello, > > some times ago there was an proposal (?) from Warren Kumari to define a > zone "internal."

Re: [DNSOP] howto "internal"

2018-07-24 Thread Petr Špaček
Hello, On 24.7.2018 16:52, A. Schulze wrote: > some times ago there was an proposal (?) from Warren Kumari to define a zone > "internal." for internal use. > > We consider a major DNS redesign of a large enterprise network. Part of the > network is private (RFC1918 address space in use) > some