Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-11-02 Thread Wes Hardaker
Joe Abley writes: > I think the wider problem space might be better described as trust > anchor publication and retrieval. Couldn't have said it better myself (more specifically, I didn't). The problem space is much bigger than 5011, and 5011 is but one tool to solve a piece of the whole space.

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-11-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1 Nov 2018, at 15:14, Wes Hardaker wrote: > Russ Housley writes: > >> It is a good time to do rfc5011-bis. Real world experience from the >> KSK roll makes a lot os sense to me. > > I think step one would be to list the aspects of it that worked well, > and the aspects that didn't. From t

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-11-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Russ Housley writes: > It is a good time to do rfc5011-bis. Real world experience from the > KSK roll makes a lot os sense to me. I think step one would be to list the aspects of it that worked well, and the aspects that didn't. From that we can determine the need for a replacement and what fe

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-11-01 Thread Russ Housley
> On Oct 30, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> On 31 Oct 2018, at 11:16 am, Jim Reid wrote: >> >> On 30 Oct 2018, at 22:31, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> >>> Ultra frequent key rolls are not necessary. It takes years the latest >>> releases of name servers to make it into shipping OS’s

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-10-31 Thread Michael StJohns
On 10/31/2018 2:54 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: Jim Reid wrote: On 31 Oct 2018, at 00:27, Mark Andrews  wrote: Bootstrap is still a issue.  Over fast TA rolling makes it more of a issue. Indeed. And that's the underlying problem that needs to be fixed IMO - for instance when/if there's an emerge

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-10-31 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Paul, On 31 Oct 2018, at 14:54, Paul Vixie wrote: > Jim Reid wrote: > >>> On 31 Oct 2018, at 00:27, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> >>> Bootstrap is still a issue. Over fast TA rolling makes it more of >>> a issue. >> >> Indeed. And that's the underlying problem that needs to be fixed IMO >> - f

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-10-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Jim Reid wrote: On 31 Oct 2018, at 00:27, Mark Andrews wrote: Bootstrap is still a issue. Over fast TA rolling makes it more of a issue. Indeed. And that's the underlying problem that needs to be fixed IMO - for instance when/if there's an emergency rollover. bootstrappers should have

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-10-31 Thread Jim Reid
> On 31 Oct 2018, at 00:27, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Bootstrap is still a issue. Over fast TA rolling makes it more of a issue. Indeed. And that's the underlying problem that needs to be fixed IMO - for instance when/if there's an emergency rollover.

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover choices

2018-10-30 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 31 Oct 2018, at 11:16 am, Jim Reid wrote: > > On 30 Oct 2018, at 22:31, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >> Ultra frequent key rolls are not necessary. It takes years the latest >> releases of name servers to make it into shipping OS’s. > > So what? Key rollover policies cannot and should not b

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-22 Thread George Barwood
Chris, Thanks for your comments. - Original Message - From: "Chris Thompson" To: "George Barwood" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover > On May 22 2010, George Barwood wrote: > >>Well, I have uploaded a dra

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-22 Thread Chris Thompson
On May 22 2010, George Barwood wrote: Well, I have uploaded a draft : http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-barwood-dnsop-ds-publish-00.txt Comments and/or indications of support are of course welome, on or off list. Section 3: | The CDS record MUST be signed with a Key Signing Key, that is a key |

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-22 Thread George Barwood
Well, I have uploaded a draft : http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-barwood-dnsop-ds-publish-00.txt Comments and/or indications of support are of course welome, on or off list. George - Original Message - From: "George Barwood" To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [DNSOP] KSK r

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Joe Abley writes : > > On 2010-05-13, at 22:32, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Which is essentially registrar to registry. It really does not > > make for a general solution to the problem unless every operator > > of every zone that delegates any zone runs epp in addition to running >

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-13, at 22:32, Mark Andrews wrote: > Which is essentially registrar to registry. It really does not > make for a general solution to the problem unless every operator > of every zone that delegates any zone runs epp in addition to running > a DNS server. Sure, but be aware that you're

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <74ae2b2b-a09a-4fbf-b6c3-7eebe89ca...@hopcount.ca>, Joe Abley writes : > > On 2010-05-13, at 19:33, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > There are lots of way to do this. > > * Use UPDATE to update the delegation records in the parent. > > This would work today it only requires a w

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-13, at 22:13, Joe Abley wrote: > ... and there's also the approach that is actually being implemented, which > is described in RFC 4310. Or 5910, since that seems to exist now. :-) Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) J. Gould Request for Comments: 5910

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-05-13, at 19:33, Mark Andrews wrote: > There are lots of way to do this. > * Use UPDATE to update the delegation records in the parent. > This would work today it only requires a willingness to do so. > This can be done securely (TSIG) and will scale. >

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <44c21cd9ee514b039eafeafa707a2...@local>, "George Barwood" writes: > > - Original Message - > From: "Patrik Wallstrom" > To: "George Barwood" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] KSK

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Edward Lewis
At 17:37 +0100 5/13/10, George Barwood wrote: I'm somewhat puzzled that thre is no specification, and apparently no activity on this. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-59/presentations/lewis-dnssec.pdf There's activity. There's no standard underway because of the plethora of situations

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Evan Hunt
> That is certainly relevant to rollover, but it doesn't specify any means > by which the new DS records can be placed in the parent zone. You're correct, there's no mechanism for doing this within the DNS. You need to update DS records through your registrar just as you do with NS records and gl

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread George Barwood
- Original Message - From: "Patrik Wallstrom" To: "George Barwood" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover >On May 13, 2010, at 9:56 AM, George Barwood wrote: >> I have been thinking about KSK rollover in my

Re: [DNSOP] KSK rollover

2010-05-13 Thread Patrik Wallstrom
On May 13, 2010, at 9:56 AM, George Barwood wrote: > I have been thinking about KSK rollover in my DNSSEC implementation, and it > seems > that there is currently no specification for KSK rollover within the DNSSEC > protocol. > > There is this expired requirements draft > > http://tools.iet