Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Edward Lewis
To clear up a few points. On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:08, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 03:29:21PM -0400, > Edward Lewis wrote > a message of 526 lines which said: > >> This sounds like something related to work attempted in the DBound >> mail list, > > Doug Barton suggested

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 05:02:21PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote a message of 21 lines which said: > Ed's point is not wrong, however -- in one fairly natural meaning, the > technique is actually "query maximization". If one called it "query > disclosure minimization" or something like that it

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 08:46:37PM +, Darcy Kevin (FCA) wrote a message of 19 lines which said: > Isn't "doing the minimum necessary to get the job done" pretty much > the definition of "optimization" (or, for that matter, > "efficiency")? "Minimize" means, basically, only "to make small";

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote a message of 7 lines which said: > the term "query minimization" appeals to me since each server, > during iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed. That's why it is "qname minimisation", not "query minimisation" :-)

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 07:42:02PM +, Darcy Kevin (FCA) wrote a message of 1087 lines which said: > I too have been tempted to comment on the fact that there is no > QNAME that is being "minimized" here (which would imply making it > shorter; not the gist of the proposal at all). I really

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 03:29:21PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote a message of 526 lines which said: > Should be DNSOP WG Boilerplate from XML2RFC. I have to read the documentation. > Because, as described this proposal would increase the number of > queries sent in search of a name. It's minimi

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: > the term "query minimization" appeals to me since each server, during > iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed. Ed's point is not wrong, however -- in one fairly natural meaning, the technique is actually "query maxim

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Darcy Kevin (FCA)
- Kevin -Original Message- From: Paul Vixie [mailto:p...@redbarn.org] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:35 PM To: Darcy Kevin (FCA) Cc: dnsop Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt the term "query minimization" appeals

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Vixie
the term "query minimization" appeals to me since each server, during iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Darcy Kevin (FCA)
Some form of "optimization", perhaps? I too have been tempted to comment on the fact that there is no QNAME that is being "minimized" here (which would imply making it shorter; not the gist of the proposal at all). If we're stuck on the term "minimization", make it clear that it's not the QNAM