Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-08 Thread Suzanne Woolf
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: > > But it's good to see a clear statement from 1987 about desirability of > supporting alternate protocols (although they use CLASS for that). Maybe > onion should have used a new CLASS :) > See draft-sullivan-dns-class-useless (which

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Mark Andrews
resolvers. > > > > Adrien > > > > -- Original Message ------ > > From: "Ted Lemon" > > To: "Adrien de Croy" > > Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" > > Sent: 8/04/2016 2:24:33 p.m. > > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs do

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
library one that is used purely to resolve addresses (e.g. A and records)? Adrien -- Original Message -- From: "Ted Lemon" To: "Adrien de Croy" Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" Sent: 8/04/2016 2:35:40 p.m. Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/10

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Mark Andrews
IDN is because there isn't a character set for the non-ascii domain names and because some hostname lookup libraries validate their inputs. rfc952 as modified by rfc1123 define hostnames. hostnames are a subset of domain names. Both fold the case of ascii letters. The DNS is supposed to be cas

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Ted Lemon
e DNS resolvers. >> >> Adrien >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Ted Lemon" >> To: "Adrien de Croy" >> Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" >> Sent: 8/04/2016 2:24:33 p.m. >> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
ience! -- Original Message -- From: "Ted Lemon" To: "Adrien de Croy" Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" Sent: 8/04/2016 2:31:13 p.m. Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc The document I mentioned updates RFC 1034. T

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Ted Lemon
Looks like 1034/1035 should be obsoleted. > > Thankfully not many people nowadays need to write DNS resolvers. > > Adrien > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Ted Lemon" > To: "Adrien de Croy" > Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" > Sent: 8/

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
Lemon" To: "Adrien de Croy" Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" Sent: 8/04/2016 2:24:33 p.m. Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc Have you read the rest of the documents? E.g.,: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2181#section-11 On T

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Ted Lemon
Have you read the rest of the documents? E.g.,: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2181#section-11 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:21 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Ted Lemon" > > > ::= | " " >> >> ::= | "." >> >> ::= [ [ ] ] >> >> ::= | >> >> ::

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
-- Original Message -- From: "Ted Lemon" ::= | " " ::= | "." ::= [ [ ] ] ::= |::= | "-" ::= | ::= any one of the 52 alphabetic characters A through Z in upper case and a through z in lower case ::= any one of the ten digits 0 through 9 if this was a BNF prod

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
-- Original Message -- From: "Ted Lemon" To: "Adrien de Croy" Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" Sent: 8/04/2016 2:03:17 p.m. Subject: Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc No, you're confusing hostnames and do

Re: [DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Ted Lemon
No, you're confusing hostnames and domain names. Read Ed Lewis' draft, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lewis-domain-names-02 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: > Hi all > > I guess you're all aware of the issue of what constitutes a valid domain > name, what characters ar

[DNSOP] hostnames vs domain names vs RFC1034/1035 vs RFC2818 vs Wikipedia etc

2016-04-07 Thread Adrien de Croy
Hi all I guess you're all aware of the issue of what constitutes a valid domain name, what characters are valid in labels etc. So forgive me for what must be me re-raising an ancient maybe long-thought-put-to-rest issue... but there's a serious problem out there. RFC1034 secion 3.5 which is