Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-13 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Wouters wrote: > > Yes you can ask for the NS records, and the NS records that are in > a completely different zone, at the expense of launching new queries, > adding round trips. You can get all the info in two round trips at most. First round trip: ask for NS records at all the potential z

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-13 Thread Tony Finch
Mark Andrews wrote: > Paul Wouters wrote: > > > and it fails when CNAME/DNAME is involved, as you also point out. > > It doesn't fail when a CNAME or a DNAME is involved. The data is > useful to validate the CNAME/DNAME and you just initiate more > queries to validate the target of the CNAME/DNAM

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013, Mark Andrews wrote: Apart from being messy, it does not work if you want to query and remember NS records (in case you have to switch from forwarding mode to being a full recursor) Garbage. There is absolutely nothing stopping you remembering NS records returned in the re

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Wouters w rites: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013, Tony Finch wrote: > > >> Really? If I want to validate www.nohats.ca, and I don't have more than > >> the DS/DNSKEY of ca, how can I do this in one round trip without these > >> drafts? You mean just adding items in the additional section?

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013, Tony Finch wrote: Really? If I want to validate www.nohats.ca, and I don't have more than the DS/DNSKEY of ca, how can I do this in one round trip without these drafts? You mean just adding items in the additional section? No. Send the following separate queries concurrent

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > Re. edns-tcp-chain-query and edns-tcp-keepalive, the minutes say "DNSSEC > > requires many round-trips to get all the data needed to validation." > > > > This is probably a correct report of what was said but the statement is > >

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013, Tony Finch wrote: Tim Wicinski wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-dnsop Re. edns-tcp-chain-query and edns-tcp-keepalive, the minutes say "DNSSEC requires many round-trips to get all the data needed to validation." This is probably a correct re

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Tony Finch
Tim Wicinski wrote: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-dnsop Re. edns-tcp-chain-query and edns-tcp-keepalive, the minutes say "DNSSEC requires many round-trips to get all the data needed to validation." This is probably a correct report of what was said but the statement i

Re: [DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 11/12/2013 09:20 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > I've uploaded the minutes, with an initial editing pass. There are > located here: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-dnsop > I wasn't there, and wasn't able to follow remotely this time, but I assume that "Evan Hunt: csync

[DNSOP] Rough Draft of minutes from IETF88

2013-11-12 Thread Tim Wicinski
I've uploaded the minutes, with an initial editing pass. There are located here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-dnsop Big thanks to Stephane Bortzmeyer for doing an first class job on these. Over the next week or so, I'm going to start moving forward some of the discu