Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-24 Thread John R Levine
I see a message on dnsop from you proposing a bunch of things including "rationalizing" names, and comments from Andrew and Peter saying they like that approach. I am not finding any message from me with that word in it, so I've no idea what you are referring to. Perhaps the link you sent

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-23 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/23/2018 11:02 AM, John Levine wrote: I see a message on dnsop from you proposing a bunch of things including "rationalizing" names, and comments from Andrew and Peter saying they like that approach. I am not finding any message from me with that word in it, so I've no idea what you are r

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-23 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 06:02:47PM +, John Levine wrote: > > I see a message on dnsop from you proposing a bunch of things > including "rationalizing" names, and comments from Andrew and Peter > saying they like that approach. I think, to be clear, what I was saying I liked was the document s

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-23 Thread John Levine
In article <6d3c77a3-2326-a4b4-1e99-50fe4647d...@dcrocker.net> you write: >It occurs to me that some folk might not have a perfect memory of a >dnsop working group agreement from Aug, 2017. So here's a tag into it: > >https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg20708.html I see a

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/21/2018 12:08 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: Possibly related to this question: what is the relationship of this draft to RFC 6335? Can separate registries be 'related'? Anyhow, I think these aren't. Perhaps you could ask a more detailed question? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetW

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Dave, > On 21 Mar 2018, at 18:36, John R. Levine wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018, Dave Crocker wrote: >> I prefer to take as simple an approach as possible: have a single registry >> control all allocations out of a name space. > > It's a little late for that. The SRV RFC was published 18 yea

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/21/2018 11:17 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: Much of the discussion of the current topic -- previously and now -- has tended to stray from the pragmatics, whereas that is the only thinking driving my concerns and suggestions.  In particular, some people seem to have a mystical -- or equally impra

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread John R. Levine
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018, Dave Crocker wrote: I prefer to take as simple an approach as possible: have a single registry control all allocations out of a name space. It's a little late for that. The SRV RFC was published 18 years ago. How exactly do you plan to grandfather all of the existing SRV

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/21/2018 8:03 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: dave, i wasn't going to reply at all, since your snark is a turn-off. Snark? You think my note was "crotchety, snappish; sarcastic, impertinent, or irreverent"? It wasn't any of those things, though perhaps it's interesting you thought it was. But on

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Paul Vixie
John C Klensin wrote: ... There is a strong case to be made that the introduction of the underscore convention was a kludge that violated fundamental design assumptions of the DNS and that it was added without considering, much less acting on, what other changes would be needed to support it s

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Paul Vixie
dave, i wasn't going to reply at all, since your snark is a turn-off. however, john decided to make this thing real, so now i'm stuck with it. srv has a registry. that's working. that need not change. adding another registry for other rr types who want to have well known underscored names will

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 06:05 -0700 Dave Crocker wrote: > On 3/21/2018 4:05 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >  Harmonization for the sake of harmonization is bad, and very little Internet System technology gets it. Just do new stuff better. >> >>> I agree completely. So please

Re: [DNSOP] [art] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-03.txt

2018-03-21 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/21/2018 4:05 AM, John R. Levine wrote:  Harmonization for the sake of harmonization is bad, and very little  Internet System technology gets it. Just do new stuff better. I agree completely. So please forgive my not understanding how your first and third comments are relevant to the curre