Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 1 May 2023, at 18:43, Wessels, Duane wrote: > My preferred definition is the one originally given by Paul Vixie, amended by > myself, and further amended by Peter Thomassen: > > A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative > servers designated by the delegating NS r

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Wes Hardaker wrote on 2023-05-01 14:57: Paul Vixie writes: if we need more terms let's invent. but this term has established meaning. There I fixed it for you: that's a meme, right? If we need more terms let's invent. But this term has established meaning*s*. the first use is still

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Vixie writes: > if we need more terms let's invent. but this term has established meaning. There I fixed it for you: If we need more terms let's invent. But this term has established meaning*s*. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list D

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Joe Abley wrote on 2023-05-01 14:15:> Yes -- some people (not me) would evidently describe a server that they didn't receive a response from as lame. Such a situation could be a result of a bad configuration but also any number of other things, such as a network problem or a misconfigured fir

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 16:24, Mark Delany <[m...@india.emu.st](mailto:On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 16:24, Mark Delany < wrote: > On 01May23, John Kristoff apparently wrote: >> (usually due to a bad configuration) > > Was any "lame" situation defined which wasn't the result of a bad > configuration? Y

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Mark Delany
On 01May23, John Kristoff apparently wrote: > (usually due to a bad configuration) Was any "lame" situation defined which wasn't the result of a bad configuration? As I understand it from this discussion, all "lame" delegations require a config change to rectify, but not all mis-configurations i

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Brian Dickson
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:55 PM libor.peltan wrote: > Hi Paul, > > if you really ask for opinions, here is mine. > > Considering the recent voluminous discussion about the meaning of Lame > delegation, it seems to me that there are at least several people being > more-or-less sure what the term m

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread libor.peltan
Hi Paul, if you really ask for opinions, here is mine. Considering the recent voluminous discussion about the meaning of Lame delegation, it seems to me that there are at least several people being more-or-less sure what the term means, with the issue that everyone thinks something slightly (

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-24.txt

2023-05-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This Internet-Draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations (DNSOP) WG of the IETF. Title : The ALT Special Use Top Level Domain Authors : Warren Kumari Paul H

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
> -Original Message- > From: DNSOP On Behalf Of Wessels, Duane > Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 12:43 PM > To: Paul Hoffman > Cc: DNSOP Working Group > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension > for lame delegation definition > > Caution: This email originated

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread John Kristoff
On Mon, 1 May 2023 16:09:23 + Paul Hoffman wrote: > It would be grand if a bunch more people would speak up on this > thread. I'm not particularly satisfied with the requirement that there must be a response to meet the definition, but that seems to be the consensus even if most seem to agre

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Wessels, Duane
My preferred definition is the one originally given by Paul Vixie, amended by myself, and further amended by Peter Thomassen: A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative servers designated by the delegating NS rrset or by the child's apex NS rrset answers non-authoritatively

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Tim Wicinski
For the record I agree strongly with Paul here. Tim, as co-chair but my hat hides my hair On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:10 PM Paul Hoffman wrote: > It would be grand if a bunch more people would speak up on this thread. > > --Paul Hoffman, wearing my co-author hat > > On Apr 27, 2023, at 1:05 PM, B

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
It would be grand if a bunch more people would speak up on this thread. --Paul Hoffman, wearing my co-author hat On Apr 27, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Benno Overeinder wrote: > > Dear WG, > > The WGLC was closed for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis, and the discussion > on lame delegation did not find conse

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-04.txt

2023-05-01 Thread Tim Wicinski
All The chairs have been coming to the consensus that this document is very close/ready for working group last call. if there are any thoughts, reviews, etc anyone has, please share. thanks tim On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:40 AM Peter Thomassen wrote: > Dear DNSOP, > > The news for this revision

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-04.txt

2023-05-01 Thread Peter Thomassen
Dear DNSOP, The news for this revision are: - editorial stuff (moved a section, fixed a ref) - added a paragraph to Section 4.1 to emphasize that bootstrapping may not be done without the zone owner's consent Thanks, Peter On 5/1/23 11:35, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Dra

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-04.txt

2023-05-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This Internet-Draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations (DNSOP) WG of the IETF. Title : Automatic DNSSEC Bootstrapping using Authenticated Signals from the Zone's Operator Authors