Hi Paul,
if you really ask for opinions, here is mine.
Considering the recent voluminous discussion about the meaning of Lame
delegation, it seems to me that there are at least several people being
more-or-less sure what the term means, with the issue that everyone
thinks something slightly (or less slightly) different.
A word that means something different according to each speaker is not a
good communication tool. I'm afraid (but not sure) that we should rather
avoid it to prevent present and future misunderstanding.
In order to do so, I'd suggest treating it similalrly as the term
Bailiwick: abandon the word and make up a new, precisely defined term
that means the same for everyone. But I don't insist.
Cheers,
Libor
Dne 01. 05. 23 v 18:09 Paul Hoffman napsal(a):
It would be grand if a bunch more people would speak up on this thread.
--Paul Hoffman, wearing my co-author hat
On Apr 27, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Benno Overeinder <be...@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:
Dear WG,
The WGLC was closed for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis, and the discussion
on lame delegation did not find consensus, but two specific suggestions
were put forward. We would like to include one of them in rfc8499bis if
we can get consensus to do so.
The chairs are seeking input on the following two suggestions:
* Either we leave the definition of “lame delegation” as it is with the
comment that no consensus could be found, or
* alternatively, we include a shorter definition without specific
examples.
1) Leaving the definition of lame delegation as in the current
draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis, and including the addition by the
authors that:
"These early definitions do not match current use of the term "lame
delegation", but there is also no consensus on what a lame delegation
is." (Maybe change to ... no consensus what *exactly* a lame
delegation is.)
2) Update the definition as proposed by Duane and with the agreement of
some others (see mailing list
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/4E1AQKGivEHtJDB85gSNhofRuyM/):
"A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative
servers designated by the delegating NS RRset or by the child's apex
NS RRset answers non-authoritatively [or not at all] for a zone".
The chairs ask the WG to discuss these two alternative definitions of
the term "lame delegation". We close the consultation period on
Thursday 4 May.
Regards,
Benno
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