Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-04-01 Thread Richard Gibson
I'd like to see something similar to what was done with HTTP (cf. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7230#section-1 ), in which one or two foundational documents lay out the core concepts and data structures and then cross-link with others that flesh out more specialized aspects with an intent to p

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-04-01 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 31 March 2018 at 17:34, bert hubert wrote: > First, I agree it is necessary. I don't think anyone would really disagree. > The issue is the stupendous amount of work it would be and if we are going > to do it. > > A secondary question is how hard we are going to make this on ourselves if > we

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-04-01 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 31 March 2018 at 22:02, Paul Vixie wrote: > > furthermore, the IETF would have to update some STD document every time a > new DNS-related RFC was published, just to enumerate the full set of things > a new implementer should study and consider. that STD could be just a list > of RFC's, or coul

Re: [DNSOP] dnssec-kskroll-sentinel-06 clarifications

2018-04-01 Thread Geoff Huston
>> >> The current text in -09 reads: >> >> The DNS response is DNSSEC validated, regardless of whether >> DNSSSEC validation was requested, and result of validation is >> “Secure” >> After discussing this with Warren and Joao I’d like to propose a slightly different wording to the

Re: [DNSOP] Verifying errata 5316 against RFC1034.

2018-04-01 Thread Evan Hunt
On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 01:33:17PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > I'm also somewhat confused what the caching the wildcard answer > *means* - if I have *.example.com cached and then get a query for > foo.example.com I still need to query for it (note that this is all > before DNSSEC / Aggressive NSE

Re: [DNSOP] On trust anchors, roots of trust, humans and indirection

2018-04-01 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > Tony Finch wrote: > >> Paul Vixie wrote: >> >>> i suggest that bind, unbound, powerdns, and so on change their packaging >>> to >>> put the trust anchor in a different upgradeable package (.deb, .rpm, etc) >>> than the software itself. unti

Re: [DNSOP] Verifying errata 5316 against RFC1034.

2018-04-01 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 01:33:17PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > Can folk help me understand what should happen with this errata? > W To elaborate further: IMO there's no argument against caching if the cached record set (with wildcard owner name) was not used in synthesis of RRs. I suspect RFC 1

Re: [DNSOP] On trust anchors, roots of trust, humans and indirection

2018-04-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch wrote: Paul Vixie wrote: i suggest that bind, unbound, powerdns, and so on change their packaging to put the trust anchor in a different upgradeable package (.deb, .rpm, etc) than the software itself. until and unless the package manager is secured by DANE rather than by ssh/pgp/x5

[DNSOP] Verifying errata 5316 against RFC1034.

2018-04-01 Thread Warren Kumari
Hi all, We have this errata: https://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=5316 The document as published says: "A * label appearing in a query name has no special effect, but can be used to test for wildcards in an authoritative zone; such a query is the only way to get a response con

Re: [DNSOP] namespaces, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-06.txt

2018-04-01 Thread John Levine
In article <5abd22aa.7080...@redbarn.org> you write: >> While I think I see a computer science basis for saying that an RR type >> has a namespace, I'm continuing to find the point more confusing than >> helpful, and fear that other readers will, too. >> >> At the least, can you point me to officia

Re: [DNSOP] On trust anchors, roots of trust, humans and indirection

2018-04-01 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie wrote: > > i suggest that bind, unbound, powerdns, and so on change their packaging to > put the trust anchor in a different upgradeable package (.deb, .rpm, etc) > than the software itself. until and unless the package manager is secured by > DANE rather than by ssh/pgp/x509/etc, then