Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing-05.txt

2014-09-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > This document has been in WGLC and the working group has done an iteration on > the document. The authors merged in several sets of changes, first back in > July, and recently from the feedback from the working group reviewers and > editors.

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, bert hubert wrote: Feedback welcome! I note that there has been discussion on EDNS0 probing and other fancy things, but please note that this feature is needed to solve a problem we have today. This means it can't involve upgrades to infrastructure except for that operated b

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread bert hubert
Based on the discussions here (thanks!), I've now written this up as: https://github.com/PowerDNS/pdns/blob/alias/pdns/docs/alias.md The ALIAS record The ALIAS record leads authoritative servers to synthesize A or records in case these are not present. The source of the synthesized A or

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread bert hubert
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 01:37:03PM -0400, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > I’m getting confused about what the exact semantics of the proposed > mechanisms are. We're here to figure those out. Thanks for your input Olafur, appreciated! > > Q1: The intent is that ALIAS/ANAME/etc are a fallback rewr

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
I’m getting confused about what the exact semantics of the proposed mechanisms are. Q1: The intent is that ALIAS/ANAME/etc are a fallback rewrite operation if the name does not have the type asked for? Q2: Is there a good reason to restrict this to just the apex of a zone? Q3: Is there a

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Colm MacCárthaigh
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > The fun bit is that an auth server implementing some kind of proxying > ANAME is in a position very like Google and OpenDNS. That is, if the > target of the ANAME is a hostname provided by Akamai or CloudFlare or > whoever, and if the auth serve

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Tony Finch
Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:52:13PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > if it caches, does it implement "client subnet"? > > It sort of has to, not that it will necessarily be useful. An > important use case is CDNs, and since you probably want to do stupid > DNS tricks based o

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC and ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:14 AM, bert hubert wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 08:13:46AM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> PS: the above is currently not yet supported for DNSSEC domains! >> >> Can you say (much) more about that aside? Does it mean that the server >> will fail to load the zone if ther

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Dick Franks
On 22 September 2014 12:27, Tony Finch wrote: > Dick Franks wrote: > > On 22 September 2014 11:03, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > > > (1) Master-only. The master observes an ANAME record at the apex of a > zone > > > it loads and uses it to periodically refresh the relevant records in > the > > > zo

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:52:13PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: > does the ANAME(/ALIAS) server proxy every request, so, no caching? Some people have tried to implement it that way. This is an excellent way to DoS your server, it turns out (rumour has it that someone learned that in production; but

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Tony Finch
Dick Franks wrote: > On 22 September 2014 11:03, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > (1) Master-only. The master observes an ANAME record at the apex of a zone > > it loads and uses it to periodically refresh the relevant records in the > > zone (as if you had a cron job running dig | magic | nsupdate). >

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Dick Franks
On 22 September 2014 11:03, Tony Finch wrote: > I can see roughly three ways this might be done, in order of increasing > complexity... > > (1) Master-only. The master observes an ANAME record at the apex of a zone > it loads and uses it to periodically refresh the relevant records in the > zone

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread John Levine
>(1) Master-only. The master observes an ANAME record at the apex of a zone >it loads and uses it to periodically refresh the relevant records in the >zone (as if you had a cron job running dig | magic | nsupdate). I have implemented something like this, with master file syntax foo IN A [rmtip:ba

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Tony Finch
Doug Barton wrote: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barton-clone-dns-labels-fun-profit I am confused by the use "label" in that document. Do you really mean a single component of a domain name wherever you say "label"? Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ Trafalgar: Cyclonic in n

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Tony Finch
I can see roughly three ways this might be done, in order of increasing complexity... (1) Master-only. The master observes an ANAME record at the apex of a zone it loads and uses it to periodically refresh the relevant records in the zone (as if you had a cron job running dig | magic | nsupdate).

Re: [DNSOP] fyi [Pdns-users] Please test: ALIAS/ANAME apex record in PowerDNS

2014-09-22 Thread Tony Finch
bert hubert wrote: > > The current semantics for the ALIAS pseudo-record are that they only match > if no real record did. Why not restrict it to A and ? I forsee problems with zones that have MX and ALIAS at the apex which accidentally get the wrong SPF record, for example. Tony. -- f.ant