[DNSOP] Signaling Cryptographic Algorithm Understanding (Was: key lengths for DNSSEC)

2014-04-04 Thread Steve Crocker
Perhaps this a good time for me to plug adoption of Signaling Cryptographic Algorithm Understanding, per RFC 6975. The sooner this gets included in the implementation on the query side, the sooner we will have solid information on when it will be ok to phase out an obsolete algorithm. This is

Re: [DNSOP] key lengths for DNSSEC

2014-04-04 Thread Tony Finch
Frederico A C Neves wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 04:25:10PM -0400, Nicholas Weaver wrote: > > > > IMO they do until validators record and use a 'root key ratchet': > > never accept a key who's expiration is older than the inception date > > of the RRSIG on the youngest root ZSK seen, or have s

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-child-syncronization

2014-04-04 Thread Edward Lewis
Not that this matters, but this is the first look I have had at this document. I’ll start with a heavy dose of skepticism as this is intended for the standards track. This is “impossible to implement”: 2.3.2. Child Nameserver Selection Parental agents will need to poll child nameservers in

Re: [DNSOP] key lengths for DNSSEC

2014-04-04 Thread Tony Finch
Joe Abley wrote: > I'm trying to understand the time-based attack, but I'm not seeing it. I think a plausible form of this attack involves DNSSEC validation at the edge. (1) DoS your victim, to force them into trouble-shooting mode. Hopefully they will reboot, at which point you can lie to them

Re: [DNSOP] draft new charter

2014-04-04 Thread Edward Lewis
On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:09, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Apr 4, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Antoin Verschuren > wrote: >> I don't considder these other names with dots in them inferior, but >> they are simply not domain names. > > Whether you are right or not, I think Stephane's interpretation is > technically c

Re: [DNSOP] draft new charter

2014-04-04 Thread Edward Lewis
On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:39, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > 6. Publish documents that attempt to better define the overlapping > area among the public DNS root, DNS-like names as used in local or > restricted > naming scopes, and the 'special names' registry that IETF > manages, and how they will in

Re: [DNSOP] draft new charter

2014-04-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 4, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Antoin Verschuren wrote: > I don't considder these other names with dots in them inferior, but > they are simply not domain names. Whether you are right or not, I think Stephane's interpretation is technically correct. I don't mean that it _is_, I just mean that I t

Re: [DNSOP] draft new charter

2014-04-04 Thread Antoin Verschuren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 op 04-04-14 10:59, Stephane Bortzmeyer schreef: > same) and I dislike even more "DNS-like names", which seems to > imply there are inferior names. www.foobar.local is a domain name, > even if it is not resolved through the DNS. I tend to disagree to

Re: [DNSOP] draft new charter

2014-04-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 05:39:58PM -0400, Suzanne Woolf wrote a message of 69 lines which said: > 4. Publish documents on extensions or protocol maintenance to the DNS >Protocol, with a focus on the operational impacts of >such changes. Act as clearinghouse for discussion or provide ad