[DNSOP] Fw: I-D Action:draft-yao-dnsop-idntld-implementation-01.txt

2009-10-21 Thread YAO Jiankang
Dear all, there is a new version for the draft "IDN TLD Variants Implementation Guideline" based on the dicussion from DNSOP and DNSEXT mailing list. Thanks a lot to Andrew Sullivan, Paul Hoffman, Alfred Hones and more for their kind comments. any comments are welcome. thanks a lot.

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: DNAME-bis issues (was: new draft about idn tld variant implementation)

2009-10-21 Thread Alfred Hönes
On Oct 21 2009, Chris Thomson wrote: > On Oct 21 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 05:54:18PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> >>> DNAME's placement is the same as any ordinary resource record (e.g. >>> MX, TXT). There is nothing special about where DN

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-10-21, at 09:39, David Conrad wrote: On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at all? All we need is agreement from both ICANN and IETF that LOCAL.ARPA is reserved and not

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. > Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at all? > All we need is agreement from both ICANN and IETF that LOCAL.ARPA is > reserved and not to be delegated in the official tree

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 21 October 2009 11:24:08 +0100 ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: We could simply propose NXDOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA. as well. If the answer for that comes back the same as for DOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA, we know we've got an "evil" resolver. :) True - and that has obvious benefits. However, testing the

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Ray . Bellis
> That's easily remedied, and would be a good addition to the protocol. The > first thing the client does is send a query to the candidate new nameserver > (possibly with "Christmas tree" options, e.g. DO set and so forth), and > check the reply looks sensible. If not, it doesn't use it. That way

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 21 October 2009 09:55:06 + Florian Weimer wrote: Ah. I think I now understand what you mean. Well yes they can do that, but they could do it anyway. There's an additional twist: If I have got a client device (not DNS proxy) which supports the proposed protocol, it will not work whe

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Bligh: > Clearly a validating recursive nameserver not supporting > DOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA may get a signed denial of existence for > LOCAL.ARPA, but that's just fine. LOCAL.ARPA doesn't > exist "there". Great, then we are in agreement actually. >> As I've tried to explain, spoofing by the res

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
Florian, --On 21 October 2009 09:10:16 + Florian Weimer wrote: --On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer wrote: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Ind

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Bligh: > --On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer wrote: > Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. >>> >>> Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be un

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer wrote: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ray Bellis: >> Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol >> works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA >> before running the protocol. > > Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at al

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Ray . Bellis
> Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol > works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA > before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. That needs to be added to the draft. Since (as Bill points out) LOCAL.ARPA would be