Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-10 Thread bmanning
I really like the Shoup paper. But I've not seen too many implementations in the wild. :) --bill On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:49:55PM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote: > Hi Alfred - > > A better scheme for threshold signing for the root might be the Shoup paper: > "Practical Threshold Signature

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310232216.gc3...@sirocco.local>, Matt Larson writes: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writ > es: > > > Mark, > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > [...] it is impossib

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Matt Larson
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writes: > > Mark, > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > > > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS.

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090310213643.gn2...@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>, Matt Larson writes: > Mark, > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS. > > Why would a validator ever need to do this?

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Thompson
On Mar 10 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: Has anyone on this list ever typed in a DNSKEY or DS as a trust anchor? I would presume that most (99.%) people would just cut-and-paste or the equivalent. I call "ease of typing" a unjustifiable justification as no one will be doing it even for DS recor

[DNSOP] Updates to AS 112 WG drafts

2009-03-10 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
All, After somewhat of a longer hiatus on Peter's part (the WG last call on one document seems to have drifted by and then dropped) and my part (largely to do with increased workload), I have finally put together new versions of each draft. The proceeding is based on some correspondence b

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Matt Larson
Mark, On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > [...] it is impossible to convert a DS to a DNSKEY prior to the > publication of the DNSKEY in the DNS. Why would a validator ever need to do this? Matt ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Edward Lewis writes: > At 8:35 +1100 3/10/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > This make DNSKEY a better manditory record to publish. > > While there's little empirical data on trust anchors to date, my > inclination is to whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. So > long as t

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: On 10 mar 2009, at 19.07, David Conrad wrote: P.S. Out of curiosity, what is "一" (Japanese Kanji for the number 1) considered? U+4E00 : Lo, Other_Letter, L, Left_To_Right I.e. it is a letter. With strong directionality. So according to the

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 10 mar 2009, at 19.07, David Conrad wrote: P.S. Out of curiosity, what is "一" (Japanese Kanji for the number 1) considered? U+4E00 : Lo, Other_Letter, L, Left_To_Right I.e. it is a letter. With strong directionality. So according to the Unicode properties that we use so far, that is "no

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-10 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi Alfred - A better scheme for threshold signing for the root might be the Shoup paper: "Practical Threshold Signatures", Victor Shoup (s...@zurich.ibm.com), IBM Research Paper RZ3121, 4/30/99 The major difference between the two is that the Shamir system (which you describe) requires the bas

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread David Conrad
Patrik, On Mar 10, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: On 9 mar 2009, at 19.16, David Conrad wrote: This doesn't make any sense to me. I am fairly certain there will be a request to add the U-label "日本" (Japanese Kanji for Japan). This isn't alphabetic in any sense of the term. To

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Edward Lewis
At 8:35 +1100 3/10/09, Mark Andrews wrote: This make DNSKEY a better manditory record to publish. While there's little empirical data on trust anchors to date, my inclination is to whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. So long as the DS record points to a unique DNSKEY recor

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 00:43 10/03/2009, Mark Andrews wrote: In message <20090310041254.gb4...@vacation.karoshi.com.>, bmann...@vacation.kar oshi.com writes: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message , David Black > a wr > > ites: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, M

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02 )

2009-03-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
At 17:35 09/03/2009, Mark Andrews wrote: On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The use of DS prevents pre-publishing of keys. Once the key is generated a DS of it can be generated. Our draft does no

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:27:21AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 01:04:42PM -0400, > Andrew Sullivan wrote > a message of 59 lines which said: > > > John's view is that the original "alphabetic restriction" in 1123 > > was indeed intended as a restriction, > > I

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 10 mar 2009, at 08.30, Patrik Fältström wrote: If you use a mac, let me recommend UnicodeChecker from http://earthlingsoft.net Hmm...that domain seems to be not delegated at the moment. Anyone have other contacts? Patrik ___ DNSOP mailing

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 01:04:42PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote a message of 59 lines which said: > John's view is that the original "alphabetic restriction" in 1123 > was indeed intended as a restriction, I was not there at the creation but I find it worrying to rely on the recollection of o

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Krzysztof Olesik
Hello, Just a short explanation. > Interestingly, I tried a couple of IDN test tools (IMC's and NASK's) to > convert that UTF-8 string into the appropriate A-label and both > indicated there are invalid characters. I'm getting an uneasy feeling... IDN translation tool accepts only allowed charac

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 9 mar 2009, at 19.11, Edward Lewis wrote: If A-labels conform to the rules in 1123 and all U-labels can be translated to A-labels, is BiDi an issue (for the DNS)? The $1 question has to do with the (for the DNS) part of what you write. Domain names are not only used in the DNS as we

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 9 mar 2009, at 19.16, David Conrad wrote: This doesn't make any sense to me. I am fairly certain there will be a request to add the U-label "日本" (Japanese Kanji for Japan). This isn't alphabetic in any sense of the term. To some degree it is, as the two characters are: U+65E5 : Lo, Le