Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Kevin Darcy
JINMEI Tatuya / wrote: At Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500, Andrew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Title : Considerations for the use of DNS Reverse Mapping Author(s) : D. Senie, A. Sullivan Filename: draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-co

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Andrews
> BTW, one technical point about AOL: > > AOL is not an ISP; It really does not matter what the genesis of AOL was they are a ISP today. Also AOL started in 1985. The Internet pre-dates AOL. Fast Facts as of November, 2006 * AOL is the leading Internet service pro

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Dean Anderson
I didn't _assume_ their assumptions were false. I showed the reasons why their assumptions were false. --Dean On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 26-Mar-2007, at 14:48, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Robert Story wrote: > > > >> DA> Assuming an 'appare

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Dean Anderson
BTW, one technical point about AOL: AOL is not an ISP; AOL is an online content provider. AOL/Compuserve predates the internet. Internet email is a free option that AOL doesn't have to provide. AOL can drop internet access without violating their user contract, which is for AOL proprietary online

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Mar-2007, at 14:48, Dean Anderson wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Robert Story wrote: DA> Assuming an 'apparent inability to update reverse tree' is a false DA> assumption: But you can't dictate other peoples assumptions. Assumptions are often based on ones personal experiences, and i

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Robert Story wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: > DA> Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam > DA> filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those > DA> ended in (sometimes well-publicized) disasters

Re: [DNSOP] review of draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-under-attack-help-help-00

2007-03-26 Thread Dean Anderson
It seems obvious, that when faced with significant problems in the current approach, it is relevant to consider whether that approach still makes sense. Blindly continuing a practice merely because it was done before is the essense of foolhardiness. [I suspect that should be attributed to someone,

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Douglas Otis
On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Robert Story wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: DA> Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam DA> filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those DA> ended in (sometimes well-publicized) disas

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, Dean has already made clear, in a previous exchange on this list, that he does not think draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations in any revision, past or future, can be made to address his concerns; my understanding is that this is why he has offered an alternative draft t

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Robert Story
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: DA> Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam DA> filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those DA> ended in (sometimes well-publicized) disasters. This is patently and provably false. AOL clearly