Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Ondřej Surý
The details has been provided on OARC members list, so I’ll let Keith and Matt to decide the level of detail to provide, but the service is being hosted by a professional organization and is subject to confidentiality agreement. OARC Mattermost (the software) is not being run by OARC staff. Ond

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Jim Reid
> On 25 Aug 2020, at 03:30, Fred Morris wrote: > > I think the question has to be: why would someone be joining this chat > channel and who would they be? No. The question should be why are we having this silly discussion? There’s no justification for this outburst of shed-painting. Quite s

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Roy Arends
+1 > On 25 Aug 2020, at 10:13, Jim Reid wrote: > > > >> On 25 Aug 2020, at 03:30, Fred Morris wrote: >> >> I think the question has to be: why would someone be joining this chat >> channel and who would they be? > > No. The question should be why are we having this silly discussion? > > T

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 8/25/20 4:26 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > The details has been provided on OARC members list, so I’ll let > Keith and Matt to decide the level of detail to provide, but the > service is being hosted by a professional organization and is subject > to confidentiality agreement. OARC Mattermost (the so

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Barry Raveendran Greene
>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 06:44, Keith Mitchell wrote: > Slack logs everything, and the only confidentiality guarantees you get > are their standard click-through contract. Once you are signed up the > relationship is sticky and hard to migrate away from should there be issues. Is this validated?

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 25. 8. 2020, at 15:52, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > > Can we see the security risk assessment that OARC has done with Slack? That > would be contrasted with the parallel risk assessment for MatterMost. This would neither be a time well spent by the OARC team that has a limited resourc

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > On 25. 8. 2020, at 15:52, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > > > > Can we see the security risk assessment that OARC has done with Slack? That > > would be contrasted with the parallel risk assessment for MatterMost. > > This would neither

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Ondřej Surý
Warren, I am not telling you “what you want”, I am simply expressing as DNS-OARC board member what I believe is usefully spent time by OARC president and OARC staff. The decision was made knowingly that it would not be first choice for everybody, but it would be a decent choice for everyone in

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Paul Ebersman
warren> We've often discussed if the tools are useful / doing what we warren> want. My concern with this is that it requires yet another app warren> installed for people to communicate; I'm one of the first to bitch about this when I have to install yet another app. However, mattermost works fine

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Vladimír Čunát
Hello. On 8/25/20 5:12 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > unlike other OARC tools this isn't > "use your existing tools like dig and a browsers", it's "go and > install yet another app". I seem to miss the point here.  Mattermost client runs perfectly fine in a web browser (on non-mobile at least).  Same

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Fred Morris
Clearly anything can be misunderstood, and I've been around technology long enough to know that technology choices are hardly rational all of the time. On Tue, 25 Aug 2020, Jim Reid wrote: On 25 Aug 2020, at 03:30, Fred Morris wrote: I think the question has to be: why would someone be joini

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Fred Morris
That's a basic question which should be asked about any technology or service offering: why? what purpose is it intended to serve? By their actions clearly some people agree and some people disagree with me. Since it's a members-only service, maybe only members should care. I'm done with the di

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:10 PM Paul Ebersman wrote: > > warren> We've often discussed if the tools are useful / doing what we > warren> want. My concern with this is that it requires yet another app > warren> installed for people to communicate; > > I'm one of the first to bitch about this when

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 13:09, Fred Morris wrote: > That's a basic question which should be asked about any technology or > service offering: why? what purpose is it intended to serve? By their > actions clearly some people agree and some people disagree with me. Since > it's a members-only servic

Re: [dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

2020-08-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/25/20 6:12 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote: Thanks everyone who has pointed out that to some extent this discussion is a bikeshed FYI, my questions are not about what service you picked. I'm interested in how the decision was made. I would also think it interesting to see the cost/benefit mat

Re: [dns-operations] .com delegation responses when glue addresses don't fit

2020-08-25 Thread Wessels, Duane via dns-operations
--- Begin Message --- Hi Mukund, We are aware that this situation can arise given certain combinations of referral size and EDNS0 buffer size. We're also aware of draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional, and our engineers are figuring out how best to update our software in that context. It woul