[Dng] Package Versions

2015-01-24 Thread tilt
Good timeofday, I am new to this list, and I beg your pardon should this matter already have been addressed. Please consider this simple example scenario: Volunteer intends to provide a modification of a Debian package "xyz", where the modification is to drop a dependency on systemd (& co.). Su

Re: [Dng] Package Versions

2015-01-27 Thread tilt
[This is a double-post due to an identity mistake, my apology to the moderators.] Hi! Am 27.01.2015 um 02:10 schrieb Noel Torres: > On Sunday, 25 de January de 2015 00:04:32 tilt escribió: > [...] >> Question: How will volunteer version the new package? > > Hi tilt > > I

Re: [Dng] Package Versions

2015-01-29 Thread tilt
de everything else" priority. If something preconfigured uses priority 1001, it's bound to cause confusion if not frustration. Kind regards, tilt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-02-02 Thread tilt
th of opportunity for building custom setups, not from its absence. :-) Kind regards, tilt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread tilt
of getting things done, I rather choose not to. I have such systems at my disposal already and don't need Linux to become one more of those. Kind regards, tilt. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Package Versions

2015-02-04 Thread tilt
Am 28.01.2015 um 00:19 schrieb tilt: > [...] > Right now I practise "+devuanX" re-versioning, so if I > encounter a hypothetical incoming package with name "xyz" > and version (in Jessie) "1.2.3-4" then my modified package > will still be called &qu

Re: [Dng] Gufw and systemd

2015-02-05 Thread tilt
d.pl/debian nosystemd main Much preferable over my approach of removing Polkit support from all applications. ;-) I admit, I have issues with Polkit, but why tackle them if the main objective can be reached that easily ... for now ... Thx, tilt ___

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-12 Thread tilt
ts-on-jessie > > thanks for this and your ramblings, very nice read that all future > Devuan developers should make. My sentiments exactly. Kind regards, tilt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] The basic of building package

2015-05-21 Thread tilt
Am 21.05.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Anto: >> [...] > Yes, I saw that quilt is always mentioned on Debian documentation > for packaging but I don't see the advantage of using it. So I have > never started to set it up just for the purpose of generating the > patch containing the changes on a few files. I

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread tilt!
Hi, Oz Tiram wrote on 22/07/2015 at 10:00 CEST: One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look >> like computers. And their operating systems are very busy : >> GPS, wireless

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

2015-07-24 Thread tilt!
Hi, T.J. Duchene wrote on 23/07/2015 at 21:35 CEST: [...] UNIX was designed from the beginning to be a multi-user system. That was entire reason in creating it, actually. The concept of "multi-seat" as a feature is being able to login and allow multiple users to use the same hardware independen

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread tilt!
Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. +1 However, I dont' have sudo installed, w

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread tilt!
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote on 28/07/2015 at 06:04 CEST: [...] > Just install sudo and be very parsimonious about rights it gives out. > [...] For what do you need sudo? Regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-07-29 Thread tilt!
Hi, Steve Litt wrote on 29/07/2015 at 06:25 CEST: [...] Meanwhile, as far as I can see, their entanglement with > polkit does nothing more than my idea about sudo. > Does anyone see any reason why polkit should be assumed > more secure than sudo? I don't know about polkit, but sudoers(5) is a

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-07-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote on 29/07/2015 at 15:35 CEST: On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:21:37 +0200 Steve Litt wrote on 29/07/2015 at 06:25 CEST: [...] Meanwhile, as far as I can see, their entanglement with polkit does nothing more than my idea about sudo. Does anyone see any reason why polkit should

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-07-29 Thread tilt!
Hi, Laurent Bercot wrote on 29/07/2015 at 17:34 CEST: > On 29/07/2015 17:07, tilt! wrote: > >> I am certain there is a way of solving this "automounting >> problem" (if I may call it that) cleanly, without the use >> of either of them. :-) > > There is

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-08-01 Thread tilt!
Hi Jaromil! Jaromil wrote on 29/07/2015 at 19:44 CEST: [...] how I do it now? hardcode every single binary that sudo is aloud to execute, full path and locations that are only root writable. that's a sudoers feature... This is how I personally see it: In an ideal environment, there were *no* t

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Hello there, KatolaZ wrote on 04/08/2015 at 09:36 CEST: [...] The free software community is probably one of the last truly democratic and meritocratic social environments. While I appreciate your idealism a lot and am happy to hear people still (or again?) talk like that, I feel the urge to p

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
on 04/08/2015 at 12:57 CEST: tilt! writes: [...] [...] I nevertheless have to disagree with this somewhat: To a degree, everything is a fad and people never intentionally further a bad cause. That's why open discussion of ideas is important and open discussion of ideas can only happen

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
KatolaZ wrote 04/08/2015 at 14:22 CEST: >> [...] >> One one last note, I more generally think that in the wider field of >> science, phenomena such as commercialization of research and "Duh >> Science" are powered by similar mechanisms. > > And in fact I pointed out that deciding which facts are m

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Hi Rainer, I can only reply to your first question ATM: Rainer Weikusat wrote on 04/08/2015 at 13:45 CEST: I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I can't keep forever. I wouldn't mind some rough edges as I'm perfectly capable of fixing any bugs I could conceivably enco

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Rainer Weikusat wrote on 04/08/2015 at 23:05 CEST: [...] I was asking if Devuan is complete enough that it can be used by someone willing to put work in fixing bugs. Yes. I recommend signing up on https://git.devuan.org/ for that purpose. Kind regards, T.

[DNG] multichannel audio i/o management w/o pulse/dbus

2015-08-05 Thread tilt!
Hello, subject says it all. Are there currently ongoing efforts to have that? If no, I will start one, if yes, I want to join it. Kind regards, T. P.S. I am perfectly aware of JACK, respect it a lot and use it, too, but there remains a jungle of stuff to be done that is outside its scope. ___

Re: [DNG] multichannel audio i/o management w/o pulse/dbus

2015-08-06 Thread tilt!
Hello! On 08/06/2015 04:22 AM, Joel Roth wrote: [...] What dmix doesn't do (and pulseaudio does) is provide a separate volume control for each application. ... a feature that I use once per year; then it is quite useful. ;-) I find ALSA provides really lots of useful tools, such as: * the pl

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-06 Thread tilt!
On 08/06/2015 11:28 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] But a bare-bones init script does really only three things: 1. Execute a command to start something. 2. Execute a command which stops it again. 3. Execute 2) then 1) for a restart. There are additional actions required by [LSB]; out of these

Re: [DNG] multichannel audio i/o management w/o pulse/dbus

2015-08-06 Thread tilt!
Hi Joel, On 08/06/2015 11:39 AM, Joel Roth wrote: [...] You don't mention what you want to accomplish specifically, or why you were using JACK. It may be easier to solve your specific problems, before trying to generally improve the configuration of the audio services under Devuan. I apprecia

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-07 Thread tilt!
Hi, sorry for picking up on this edge while the thread's general discussion has advanced further. The "status" command matters to me; that is why I would like to address its handling in a more detailed manner. Laurent Bercot wrote on 06/08/2015 at 14:21 CEST: [...] And "status". This is very

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-07 Thread tilt!
Apologies, a typo: I wrote myself on 07/08/2015 at 15:21 CEST: [...] * the status is "failed" (the service is *NOT* alive, and this is due to it having failed to start on a previous attempt to do so). My question is, did I understand that correctly? [...] Kind regards.

[DNG] Congratulations to the Devuan team

2015-08-12 Thread tilt!
Hi, I would like to convey my respect and appreciation to all participants, acknowledging that Devuan GNU/Linux is in use here now as a functional Linux Desktop which I use for tasks of software development and system integration as well as for everyday mail, office and web stuff. Good work! Kee

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-16 Thread tilt!
Hi, wondering what you all have been arguing about :) The systemd complex is vast and offers many attack vectors. Just do your thing. :) Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-16 Thread tilt!
Hello James, On 08/17/2015 02:28 AM, James Powell wrote: While there are packages that can be invisible and unintrusive > into the system, there are some that cannot. The problem is responsibility. Who wants to remain responsible for boot scripts? Upstream or vendor? Who (developer, vendo

[DNG] "jack-autostart" – Setup- and Start-Scripts for JACK

2015-08-18 Thread tilt!
Software * Devuan project: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/jack-autostart * Upstream: http://tk-sls.de/ref/jack-autostart/ Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-18 Thread tilt!
On 08/18/2015 12:49 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: At the moment I am stuck trying to use sudo to run ifup from within my frontend. This testing phase is important as I need to ascertain myself that the class I am using can actually capture CLI output. If anyone from Devuan knows of a Lazarus functio

Re: [DNG] Bug in debian-installer

2015-08-18 Thread tilt!
On 08/18/2015 02:02 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Debian-installer creates in /etc/fstab lines like: /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto 0 0 depending on the used method (cd-rom or usb-stick). Those files are sup

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-19 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 08/19/2015 03:29 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: [...] The C code: > [...] #define opSave 0 #define opSaveConnect 1 #define opQueryConnect 2 #define opDeleteConnect 3 #define opConnectionConnect

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-19 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 08/19/2015 03:29 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: This is the completed C backend with all functions tested to work. Any suggestions as to modifications are welcome. [...] A word of advice, do not take critizism personal, even if it's harsh, and especially not if it's coming from people

Re: [DNG] Problem with debhelper

2015-08-22 Thread tilt!
On 08/22/2015 11:54 AM, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: [...] If that program's source has a ./configure program, you may be able to fix the problem by adding this argument → --prefix=/ ← (Don't ask me how to do have dpkg-buildpackage do that, though!) In debian/rules: override_dh_auto_configure:

Re: [DNG] Mirroring Devuan

2015-08-22 Thread tilt!
Hello, On 08/22/2015 01:33 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: [...] given that httpredir all the debian packages should come from your local debian mirror anyway - and that's still > 95% of packages for a standard install. Thanks for the explanation. This explains why I sometimes (rarely happens) hav

Re: [DNG] C string handling

2015-08-22 Thread tilt!
Gentlemen, On 08/22/2015 04:40 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Roger Leigh writes: On 20/08/2015 11:27, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Roger Leigh writes: On 19/08/2015 17:39, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] p_len = strlen(IFACES_PATH); e_len = strlen(essid); path = alloca(p_len

Re: [DNG] *****SPAM***** Re: C string handling

2015-08-22 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 08/22/2015 09:18 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote: On 22/08/2015 17:20, Timo Buhrmester wrote: [...] the fact that these days, MTAs behind dynamic IPs are >> automatically suspicious. Well, it always helps to make the list host aware that list services that use PBL are not a good idea, and

[DNG] CLI backend: (E)SSID issues

2015-08-22 Thread tilt!
Hello, it has come to my attention that an SSID is defined by a (closed) IEEE standard as (I quote inofficial source [1]): > [...] "0-32 octets with arbitrary contents. A 0-length > SSID indicates the wildcard SSID (in probe request > frames for instance)" This means that #1 SSIDs can have len

Re: [DNG] CLI backend: (E)SSID issues

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
Hi Piotr, On 08/23/2015 09:24 AM, poitr pogo wrote: [...] What about utf-8 encoded (or other encodings like iso-8859-X) strings with national charaters like "mściągwoń". Will it be supported? Supported - mean displayed and setting up connection properly? Yes! :) Best regards, T.

Re: [DNG] C string handling

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward! On 08/23/2015 12:37 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: My 'irrational' choice of C language for backend. As a coder, I lack knowledge and experience. This is plain clear from the code I can write, but I offered my very limited coding capabilities to help, notwithstanding I knew, I would have

Re: [DNG] frontend GUI implementation

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 08/23/2015 04:20 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Although I have a working Lazarus written frontend, I am getting the message, it may not be accepted in Devuan, for the reason it is written in Lazarus Pascal. Therefore, I am considering taking the leap of trying to rewrite it for GTK2 or

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
On 08/24/2015 12:26 AM, adamdm wrote: I can't shutdown Devuan from xfce, the button is just disabled... Am I missing something? apt-get install pm-utils Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
On 08/24/2015 01:37 AM, adamdm wrote: Hi, I've installed it but it doesn't change nothing... $ dpkg -l | grep pm-utils ii pm-utils 1.4.1-15 Hmm. Unsure. Did you log out and log in again to restart XFCE since you installed the package? Kind regards, T. __

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

2015-08-23 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 08/24/2015 02:22 AM, adamdm wrote: Hmm. Unsure. Did you log out and log in again to restart XFCE since you installed the package? > Yes I've tryed but nothing.. Ahhh, this is so troublesome :-) 1. Do you have the "policykit-1" and the "policykit-1-gnome" packages installed? 2. Y

Re: [DNG] frontend GUI implementation

2015-08-24 Thread tilt!
Ok, got the line number - but where's the code :-D On 08/24/2015 10:11 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: The line number is 117. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-25 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 08/25/2015 12:51 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: [...] Please accept merge request #1 "cleanup of backend binaries". I forgot to add backend_src to the cleanup routine. Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailin

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-25 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 08/25/2015 02:09 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Considering that this enforces some kind of 'bastard URL-encoding' > (using + as prefix instead of %) for all other bytes, it's also going > make people who believe that UTF-8 would be a well supported way to > represent non-ASCII characters ve

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-25 Thread tilt!
Am 25. August 2015 15:52:15 MESZ, >As mentioned above: if there is any real issue with the code at all, it >is >the fact that null characters (zero bytes) are not handled correctly by >the >code. But that's a feat it has in common with many consumer WiFi >appliance >configuration utilities (a

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-25 Thread tilt!
Am 25. August 2015 16:52:41 MESZ, schrieb Edward Bartolo : >We can easily avoid having to encode ESSIDs by creating a file >containing a texual lookup table as the following, but since the >project is already functional, it looks like rebuilding a house that >is already habitable. > >essid1"m

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-26 Thread tilt!
On 08/26/2015 01:36 PM, Irrwahn wrote: [...] Or, even better, you could easily pass the IF name as an additional parameter to the backend (and possily even use it as additional component to construct the interface file names). An easy way to obtain a list of interface names on Linux is: awk 'N

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-26 Thread tilt!
On 08/26/2015 02:27 PM, tilt! wrote: [...], which is based on https://gist.github.com/javiermon/43a0b9e1c07abd4b13df Sry, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What's /dev/bus/usb?

2015-08-27 Thread tilt!
Hi Steve, On 08/27/2015 03:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, What's /dev/bus/usb? On Wheezy, this is where you must aim your inotifywait command to detect insertion and removal of flash drives. As I understand it, it is a concatenation from the dev directory root (which is /dev) and a "syspath

Re: [DNG] What's /dev/bus/usb?

2015-08-27 Thread tilt!
Hi Jude, next time before I hit "send" I check for new mails first! :) Best regards, T. On 08/27/2015 04:52 PM, Jude Nelson wrote:> /dev/bus/usb/* are USB devices, organized by the kernel-assigned USB bus > number and USB device number (i.e. > /dev/bus/usb/$USB_BUS_ID/$USB_DEVICE_ID). This i

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-27 Thread tilt!
Usage: execl(full_pathname, runas, arg1, arg2, ..., NULL) in this case: full_pathname = /bin/ifup runas = ifup arg1 = eth0 Regards, T. Am 27. August 2015 16:40:49 MESZ, schrieb Edward Bartolo : >I added another function to core_functions.c. It attempts to connect >to eth0 but for some weird re

[DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?

2015-08-28 Thread tilt!
Hi, I use xfce-session with nodm, a (very) lightweight display manager. It essentially puts a user's x session into an endless loop. When shutting down the system via logout dialog (utilizing pm-utils), at least on my installation (utilizing sysvinit), nodm fails to recognize that the system is

Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?

2015-08-28 Thread tilt!
Hello Tobias, thanks a lot for these hints! Please understand the following questions not directed specifically to you, it's just that I am not very much into systemd, and i appreciate every piece of clarification a lot. I post this here, because this is one forum I know that cares about portab

Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?

2015-08-29 Thread tilt!
As i found out, utmpx.h is in POSIX, but it (of course) has no notion of a runlevel (RUN_LVL is not defined, it's only in utmp.h). This somehow makes my questions less applicable to the actual problem I'm trying to solve. It still is generally interesting, but for a "POSIX-portable" solution to

Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?

2015-08-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Tobias, On 08/29/2015 09:50 AM, Tobias Hunger wrote: > [...] > >>> I do not think you would need it anyway as systemd will stop the display >>> manager all by itself. >> >> Given the unclarity I tried to express in my previous questions, i admit >> that i am currently not too confident about

Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?

2015-08-29 Thread tilt!
On 08/29/2015 01:02 PM, Tobias Hunger wrote: 8...] The init system should stop such services and you should fix the init system and not add clutches all over the place to work around its limitations. Best Regards, Tobias Hi, I'm not 100% sure what you want, but I think I have no time for

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Matteo, On 08/29/2015 02:53 PM, Matteo Panella wrote: [...] On a server, tough, it just does its job nicely (unless you need strict audit of root-level actions, in which case sudo with a MAC system should be your starting point). So much noise (and security-critical code) for nothing. If s

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, every subprocess that is started must be "waited on" for proper completion, or else it never terminates and becomes a zombie. In backend.pas, in function run_backend(), either use the option poWaitOnExit when creating AProcess or use the method WaitOnExit() after the output has been r

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread tilt!
On 08/30/2015 07:40 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: OK, poWaitOnExit added and zombies creation has been reduced. However, I am still getting these: 3584 ?00:00:00 kworker/u8:0 3586 ?00:00:00 kworker/1:3 3588 ?00:00:01 netman 3623 ?00:00:00 ifdown 3644 ?

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-31 Thread tilt!
Hi, been thinking about this for a while: It actually is correct that the frontend becomes irrepsonsive when the backend does a re-connect or re-scan. When a re-connect or re-scan is performed, the old information presented in the frontend is outdated, and the user should not click around on it

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-31 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 08/31/2015 08:56 PM, Tobias Hunger wrote: > [...] > And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is > doing for his display manager is a lesser one. This is an outrage! I don't do "hacks", i perform highly qualified high-tech science developmen

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
" is online at [1]. Kind regards, T. Links: [1] "nodm" Devuan package source 0.11-1.3~sls1. URL: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/nodm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 09/01/2015 12:33 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: As soon as I have time I will have a look at the code. Regarding learning to use git, I learnt to push my commits and do git pulls to synchronize my sources with those of the repository. I took note of all the git commands used together

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
Hello Mr. Zini, On 09/01/2015 07:14 PM, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:09:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >> [...] I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include >> the patch upstream. >> > Unfortunately, most likely I will not: I only have time to work on nodm > when a cus

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

2015-09-02 Thread tilt!
On 09/02/2015 10:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Personally, I'd go way out of my way never to multithread unless > there were a huge reason to do so. Your app does such a small, quick > job that there's no reason. > > You mentioned the front and back end communicating with each other, > and everyo

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

2015-09-03 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, AFAIK Status must be a pointer, because fpwaitpid will write information into that status. Also, you should check the return value of fpwaitpid(): 0 : nothing has happened -1: an error occurred, check fgGetErrno other: the pid of a child where something happened so like (pseudoco

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

2015-09-03 Thread tilt!
Sorry, come to think about it, simply return if rv is -1, because that means there are no un-waited children left. You should definately first fix the pcint Status issue, because if you give an invalid argument ot waitpid, it returns -1 and sets errno to EINVAL. while true rv := waitpid(-1,

[DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-10 Thread tilt!
Hi, for jack-autostart i need to store some data in a per-user file across the lifetime of the jackd process. It's a pretty typical tempfile, when the process goes away, it will be considered stale, when the system is rebooted, it should be discarded. It may exist once per user. Since i already

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-10 Thread tilt!
Hi Roger, On 09/10/2015 01:46 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On 10/09/2015 12:11, tilt! wrote: Question open for debate: On a systemd-free system, should an alternative exist which assumes the task of initializing XDG envvars as described by [1] in the way done by [3]? > [...] Thank you very m

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-10 Thread tilt!
Hi, in Ubuntu defaults are in X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path which is shipped by x11-common and sourced by XSession > BTW there is some XDG_* env setting also in X11/Xsession.d/00upstart Ok, now if only we knew what to actually use as a default for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR; it is a per-user se

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-10 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 09/10/2015 10:01 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 10/09/2015 20:33, tilt! wrote: >> [...] >> Come to think of it, my choice of >> >> ${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR:-/tmp/run/$USER} >> >> is no good, because, just as an example, if $USER comes from an AD >> doma

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-11 Thread tilt!
On 09/11/2015 03:33 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > [...] > We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to > implement multiple sessions per user. > [...] Hi Daniel, what is $SESSIONID? How is the value determined? Kind regards, T. ___ Dng ma

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-11 Thread tilt!
On 09/11/2015 07:33 AM, tilt! wrote: > [...] > #1 A "prefix" for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, meaning the directory where > runtime directories are created; [...] > >XDG_RUNTIME_PREFIX="/tmp/xdg-runtime/user" > > This definition could go to "/etc/xdg/runti

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-11 Thread tilt!
On 09/11/2015 10:35 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi all, Since yesterday I have been trying to understand why "char** essid_list" is working inside getInstalledEssidList(&count, essid_list) but failing as soon as I try to access essid_list[0] outside the function. Both the source and the gdb text

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-11 Thread tilt!
:44 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: I will try the solution from Rainer as it seems to do the least of disruption to my original code. Thanks to you all, Edward On 11/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: As suggested by tilt, I switched to use GSList but I need to use it for two distinct cases: a) to

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-12 Thread tilt!
Hi Isaac, On 09/11/2015 09:30 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:23:38AM +0200, tilt! wrote: Unadressed remains the lifecycle of $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, >> specifically: [...] >> * When is $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR created? >> [...] Currently my best guess is

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-12 Thread tilt!
On 09/11/2015 08:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > [...] To anyone else mortified by this thread: name any of the obviously preferable languages for this job and I'll try my hand at porting to that language. I can't guarantee I'll know exactly what I'm doing, but I can guarantee that an entire clas

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-12 Thread tilt!
Hi Jonathan, On 09/12/2015 06:04 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi tilt! Is this a serious response? I ask because the other candidates -- an obscure language and a dead language-- were not. If so tell me which dialect to use. No, it's *not* a serious response. Had i been serious,

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-12 Thread tilt!
t you will defend the choice of language against > bike-shedders and Socratic bombers. (Though of course you don't have > to defend my actual code.) If both those assumptions are true then > I'll get started. > -Jonathan > On Saturday, September 12, 2015 12:43 PM, tilt!

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-12 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 09/12/2015 12:52 PM, tilt! wrote: > [...] > I will think about this a bit more, but currently it converges > towards a SUID helper and a separately configured directory for > refcounts. Here's my shot at it: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/xdg-compat It uses a setuid-bi

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-13 Thread tilt!
It maybe helps that i now changed project visibility from "private" to "public" *sighs* This has been corrected - Share and enjoy! On 09/13/2015 03:13 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 10:32:13PM +0200, tilt! wrote: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/xdg-comp

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-13 Thread tilt!
On 09/13/2015 03:13 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote: [...] > > One detail I'm not sure if you implemented: I suggested that default > be to create .../$UID if needed, but you can pass "-n" to create a > new session. The software provides config files and a script in /etc that could be modified to implem

Re: [DNG] Automatic connections: expected behaviour from netman

2015-09-13 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 09/13/2015 02:35 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > At the moment, I am thinking about how netman should behave when > automatic searching and connecting to wifi hotspots is enabled. I > already have an idea how this can be achieved, but I want to use > the least of processing time possibl

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-13 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 09/13/2015 08:10 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think, the time has come to start thinking about producing a .deb > package for netman. However, we will have to use a post installation > script to add the line: > > "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" > > to /etc/network/interfaces. Is that really necc

Re: [DNG] test

2015-09-16 Thread tilt!
On 09/16/2015 01:42 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: test 1 2 test test. :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 09/17/2015 10:12 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to implement >> multiple sessions per user. > > This is definitely possible. It would probably need some thought on > how to determine which "se

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi Aitor & Edward, i don't think an /etc config file describing a location of a backend executable is required in the first release. What would be the motivation for a user to mess with intrinsics of the software architecture? Please keep in mind that the backend is a dangerous setuid executable

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi Daniel, On 09/17/2015 01:29 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > [...] >> The implementation so far manages to do without any form of PAM >> module or login-managing daemon process. It's my intention to >> keep it that way. > > That's great, but don't create something that would rule out PAM > or login

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-21 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, congratulations on wrapping this up! However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git i get the following errors: * directory ./backend_src/obj missing * directory ./bin missing * link-time error: backend_src/src

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-22 Thread tilt!
On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-23 Thread tilt!
My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. Best regards, T. Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: Hi Tilt, I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including three branches: 1.- Upstream branch 2.- Debian branch 3.- Pristine-tar branch Being a branch in

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Aitor how did it work out? Do you have a functional mirror now? Best regards, T. On 09/17/2015 11:36 AM, aitor_czr wrote: Regenerating /dists/... Aitor. On 17/09/15 19:52, aitor_czr wrote: There are packages missing, but i've seen were is the mistake and i will solve it. This is my fir

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-29 Thread tilt!
st/ folder. Once this aim has been archieved, the repository will be up-to-date automatically using contrab, because rsync only download/upload the changes. Aitor. On 29/09/15 14:00, "tilt!" wrote: Hi Aitor how did it work out? Do you have a functional mirror now? Best regards, T.

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-29 Thread tilt!
Hi Daniel, On 09/29/2015 09:30 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 30/09/15 02:15, tilt! wrote: >> Suppose at some point a new mirror had to be set up (for example >> in Australia). >> >> Is the mirror then just a copy of a directory - for example, >> "/dists

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