Re: [DNG] Which DE?

2020-03-01 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 23:07:33 +0100 aitor wrote: > On 1/3/20 11:56, spiralofhope wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 04:12:07 -0500 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> OpenBox, which I consider the best of the bunch if you don't need a > >> panel > > My vote

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-02 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ } Another relevant question is whether further centralisation of the } internet is, inherently, a bad thing. ® Whoa boy. ___

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread spiralofhope
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:49:57 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > > 'grey' rather than 'grey': because it's much greyer that way. > 'gray' > > See, even when I set out to adopt quaint USAnaian spelling, I > sometimes can't quite manage it. This helps me remember: E for English "grEy" A fo

Re: [DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

2020-03-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:25:01 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > To use the own home directory on different laptops? This is a first-world problem if I've ever heard one, and a sad waste of manpower when there are other programming problems. ___ Dng ma

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-13 Thread spiralofhope
27;screenshot--%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S--$wx$h.png' --exec '\mv $f /l/live/__ ; \gpicview /l/live/__/$f' \\ " Oh, and since I'm on that and we have some Openbox people.. guess what this does: \sh -c "\ \geany \\ $( \realpath ~/.themes/minimal-spiralo

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:20:24 -0700 tom wrote: > My advice is to stop buying X86 in the future and invest in other > arches. I love that virtualization has come so far that I don't have to care what I run my stuff on. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyn

Re: [DNG] Which DE?

2020-03-16 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:03:53 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > LXDE > is one of many projects who looked at the dismaying near-total rewrite > required for migrating to GTK3 (and GTK's increasing GNOME-centric > nature) and made the agonising decision to bail and migrated sideways > to Qt. If memory serv

[DNG] PGP (was: Beowulf Beta is here!)

2020-03-22 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:14:41 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > Your trust in my key (and therefore, my signature) should not be > founded on _where_ you got it from, but your own personal web of > trust made up of (hopefully!) people you know and trust to do their > due diligence for confirming I am me.

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-08 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:07:56 +0200 Raul Claro wrote: >     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact > with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with > Windows or Mac and Chrome. > > A

Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?

2020-04-09 Thread spiralofhope
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:56:07 +1000 terryc wrote: > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? I have a $300 (CAD) Dell Inspiron 11 3180. According to my mid 2018 notes I tried Devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso and had issues with graphics being co

Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII

2020-04-13 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:04:45 + aitor_czr wrote: > http://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/Screenshot_2020-04-11_18-14-41.png > At least, i only need a few features like management for my bookmarks > and ability to have several websites opened at the same time in > different tabs. Related: Tabbed

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:06:37 +1000 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng > > wrote: > > > >  > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org > > isn't working (it throws database error): > > It looks to have been resurrected

Re: [DNG] tobacco patch? (OT)

2020-05-17 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:13:58 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-05-16 16:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > What do you mean by "tobacco patch"? > > It's an analogy with a medical device used to help smokers with > quitting. Aah. I would say "nicotine patch". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:11 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I eschew Occam's Razor in favor of Litt's Razor, which can be > paraphrased "Follow the money." See also the maxim of Cassius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono "to whom is it a benefit?" __

[DNG] panels (was Beowulf, and Apparmor's effect on bind9)

2020-05-23 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 23 May 2020 19:54:55 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > Any recommendations for a better panel? lxpanel is an old favorite, and tint2 is quite impressive. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: [DNG] Which DE?

2020-05-24 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 24 May 2020 16:20:05 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > TDE with it's qt3 fork :) Going down that rabbit hole, I see that Exe GNU/Linux uses it by default and is also using Devuan. This seems to be a trivial way for me to check out TDE at its finest. http://exegnulinux.net/ __

[DNG] Successful beowulf install in VirtualBox

2020-06-06 Thread spiralofhope
I succesfully installed Devuan: devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64 guest on VirtualBox 6.0.20-137117 on Windows 10 host This replaces Debian: Debian 10.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1 guest on VirtualBox 6.0.22-137980 on Windows 10 host -- I have no complaints with my installation, including nuances a

Re: [DNG] Beowulf upgrade from Ubuntu

2020-06-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 08:29:01 -0700 kdibble wrote: I'm glad you got things sorted out. Several of the things you mentioned would have frustrated me. > 5) Started adding a couple packages and apt asked for cdrom. I assumed > it wanted usb stick, mounted it and nope, it wants a cdrom. Go in and >

Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab

2020-06-14 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:01:14 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > When this disk is active in /etc/fstab the boot process hangs > forever. I wonder if there's anything S.M.A.R.T. information can tell you. There is a spinup time test, and I wonder if perhaps there is SMART logging within the driv

Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab

2020-06-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 06:31:40 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: It looks to me like your drive is in good health and supports (and uses) all the good health features. As the other poster suggested, using another drive to troubleshoot may still be useful, but your drive appears fundamentally good. --

[DNG] Non-systemd Linux for older hardware (was: Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving)

2020-07-01 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:53:19 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot > upgrade, there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to > 80486. And they, too, are systemd-free :) It's been a while, but I wonder if Slackware would

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving

2020-07-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:52:12 +0200 richard lucassen via Dng wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:58:11 -0300 > pekman wrote: > > > Slitaz is very good Linux distribution for old computers. See > > slitaz.org > > The latest "news" is from 20 May 2015: > > http://slitaz.org/en/news/ In its defenc

Re: [DNG] Deleted qemu image

2020-07-16 Thread spiralofhope
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:35:20 +0100 fraser kendall wrote: > Best option: 1) can I retrieve the deleted qcow image from a running > instance of that image? The other suggestions are on the right track. I myself have "un-deleted" a file which was held open because it was in use by a running proce

[DNG] [OT] Signature filtering (was: Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem)

2020-07-24 Thread spiralofhope
Incoming musing.. I haven't investigated the solution for email, but I would assume that many email clients can filter out signatures. However, when I went looking through my email client (Claws Mail [1]) I couldn't find anything obvious! Maybe I didn't look hard enough. - Perhaps I could fi

Re: [DNG] [OT] Signature filtering (was: Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem)

2020-07-24 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:03:13 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > flush-left two hyhens plus a single space character, and > then immediate a hard return Oh, I didn't know about the single space. Thanks for that, and the rest. Getting lore and detail is a challenge for me for the older stuff, because ther

Re: [DNG] terminology

2020-08-23 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:59:53 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity > for something which might be a file or a directory? Perhaps something like inode? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailin

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-04 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 15:03:55 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > ...2 new 500 GB WD Black drives... You have good taste. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-05 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 20:22:56 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-09-04 19:24, spiralofhope wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 15:03:55 -0500 > > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > >> ...2 new 500 GB WD Black drives... > > Not sure if they still have the

Re: [DNG] RFC: wiki software

2020-09-08 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 09:05:39 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Of course there's also mediawiki, which is the basis for the > WIkipedia. Unless something has changed, ACLs are explicitly absent from MediaWiki. There have always been efforts by third parties to make it more functional, but I'm of the op

[DNG] POSIX shell scripting (was: Danger: Debian POSIX hostility)

2020-09-23 Thread spiralofhope
The pure sh bible has been a big help: https://github.com/dylanaraps/pure-sh-bible Here are some examples of replacing "standard" software: https://github.com/spiralofhope/shell-random/blob/master/live/sh/scripts/examples/replace-head.sh https://github.com/spiralofhope/shell-random/blob

Re: [DNG] Xorg stopped working after upgrade to Beowulf

2020-09-25 Thread spiralofhope
wants to dig through my history of desperate experimentation throughout multiple Linuxes: https://github.com/spiralofhope/shell-random/commits/master/live/zsh/dot_zsh/4-login.sh ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] [OT] YouTube archivism targeted

2020-10-26 Thread spiralofhope
TL;DR: YouTube-dl DMCA The RIAA successfully applied a DMCA takedown to GitHub (Microsoft) for an archivism program which downloads YouTube video/audio (although it does target other services). https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/ https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/202

Re: [DNG] [OT] YouTube archivism targeted

2020-10-27 Thread spiralofhope
This made me laugh; using the tool to get the tool's source: youtube-dl -o - https://youtu.be/hyqLv2_zBdA | ffmpeg -i - \ -vf scale=120:-1,eq=contrast=10 -sws_flags neighbor -pix_fmt \ monob -f rawvideo yt_dl.tar.gz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.o

Re: [DNG] [OT] YouTube archivism targeted

2020-10-27 Thread spiralofhope
https://github.com/github/dmca So.. https://github.com/github/dmca/tree/416da574ec0df3388f652e44f7fe71b1e3a4701f On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:36:08 -0700 spiralofhope wrote: > This made me laugh; using the tool to get the tool's source: > > > youtube-dl -o - https://youtu.be/hyq

Re: [DNG] [OT] YouTube archivism targeted

2020-10-31 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:22:34 -0700 Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > Sorry, spiralofhope.  I didn't6 mean to send this to you, but to the > list. I'll re-send this to the list then. :) On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:15:42 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: > I think they have already obfusc

Re: [DNG] Jessie to Ascii upgrade

2020-11-20 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:55:17 -0800 Patrick Bartek via Dng wrote: > I do run a little file manager -- xfe. What a wonderful program; I'll add it to my toolkit as an alternative to spacefm. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.

[DNG] godaddy (was Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.)

2020-12-08 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 01:00:44 +1100 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > A good move to switch from godaddy. Doesn’t really matter where you > switch to, but godaddy appear to be a seriously unethical company. > > https://www.webpronews.com/godaddy-elephant-killing-nodaddy-venovix/ > > https://www.wi

Re: [DNG] godaddy (was Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.)

2020-12-11 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 19:37:39 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Know any domain registrars that don't mess with the user? I've used register4less.com for some time, and they're a bunch of geeks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyn

[DNG] obsoleting a login manager (was: What I learned at Distrowatch)

2020-12-12 Thread spiralofhope
r a single user): Just have the regular shell at certain TTYs launch X upon login. A snippet of it: \xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :$(( tty_to_use - 1 )) \ vt"$tty_to_use" -auth "$( \tempfile --prefix='serverauth.' )" logout There's mo

Re: [DNG] Another document listing systemd deficiencies

2021-01-05 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:32:22 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > This is a fun document: > > https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ > ... machinectl ... a program which contains sudo, su and kill (and > does some functions which historically ssh/telnet did) ... systemd documentation is creepypasta. __

Re: [DNG] librewolf

2021-01-26 Thread spiralofhope
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:28:27 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > But I suspect that, lik firefox, it will make a brave attempt to use > up ALL of my RAM. It claims to be "performance aware", which I expect means yes it will make that trade-off. ___ Dng mailin

Re: [DNG] Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release

2021-02-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:36:58 -0500 fsmithred via Dng wrote: > Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release Confirmed that devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso works with ventoy-1.0.35 (installed via Windows 10). I highly recommend checking out Ventoy. Persistence works, based on its instructions

Re: [DNG] I'm going to need to make a block diagram of bridge/tap/qemu networking

2021-02-17 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:38:36 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > There's only one solution: I need > to learn enough about bridge devices, tap devices, and VM guest > networking that I can draw a block diagram of the entire networking > situation, so I can intelligently probe any interaction point for > tr

Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

2021-03-02 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 01:34:40 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > For bare-metal hardware I believe there is a first possible "race" > between different modules (that handle different card types), and a > second possible "race" for multiple same-type cards, which are handled > by the one and sam

Re: [DNG] Netiquette

2021-03-04 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:58:57 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Personally, I deliberately break the thread by snipping In-Reply-To > (or use mutt's new-message command, which amounts to the same thing) > if the new discussion will be semantically quite different from the > old one. This makes a lot of sen

Re: [DNG] Default logins for ARM images?

2021-03-27 Thread spiralofhope
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:33:48 -0700 Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > > I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the > > default password is annotated. It's not on either of these pages: > > > > https:/

Re: [DNG] Screen flickering

2021-04-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:32:30 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > As for a repair, I have no idea what it's like trying to get inside > Dell laptops. On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 16:37:54 +0200 Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: > ... Dell Latitude 7400 laptop I have ... I'd gamble that it's easy to service it. Th

[DNG] Editing old git commit messages (was: Script to migrate buster desktop to beowulf v1.8)

2021-04-17 Thread spiralofhope
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:30:29 +0200 tito via Dng wrote: > https://git.devuan.org/farmatito/migration > ... > p.s.: is there a way to edit committed commit messages? I have not tested this: https://docs.github.com/en/github/committing-changes-to-your-project/changing-a-commit-message#amending-ol

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