= 3.0-9), linux-sound-base (>= 1.0.15-1)
---
> lsb-base (>= 3.0-9), linux-sound-base (>= 1.0.15-1), udev
$ diff init*
7c7
< # Required-Start:$remote_fs
---
> # Required-Start:$remote_fs udev
And rebuilding the package, solved my direct needs.
As I see it, that was an unnessesar
you come up with in the end.
So, what's all the fuss whith what name there is in /dev/, let
each and every user *be able* to decide for themselves.
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ck_return(buf, user, group);
chmod(buf, devmode);
}
}
fd = open(buf, O_RDWR, 0);
drmMsg("drmOpenDevice: open result is %d, (%s)\n",
fd, fd < 0 ? strerror(errno) : "OK");
if (fd >= 0)
return fd;
drmMsg("dr
gt;
> I tried following that page or a related one to set up X11 sans udev on
> Debian, but never got keyboard input working.
> (Wondering about configuration/if I need to recompile Mesa and X...).
Since I for some reason got a very new graphics car, and no udev,
I've made
http://turk
tp://turkos.aspodata.se/computing/nonudev/
In case anyone else would need them.
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Gravis:
> karl, what's with the hostility?
Oh, maybe it come out to harsh, sorry for that.
> vdev is by no means required and
> nothing depends on it, so nobody is being forced to even install it.
> also, since it is based on FUSE, it won't actually add/remove static
>
it will add/remove the
> requisite device nodes.
I'd be perfectly happy with that, and I think that is a nice feature.
But for that to be "possible", I want to find some way to get rid of
the dependancy on udev.
///
So I think we kind of ha
-gt 0 ]
then
echo timeout, use normal init
exec /sbin/normal_init
else
echo Switching to init_$a
exec /sbin/init_$a
fi
///
Basically, nothing hinders one to choose init's on the fly, or ?
(Well yes, they need different /etc/inittab's, but that is solvable.)
R
not the other way
> around).
True, busybox does a fork and runs /etc/rcS, seems I was daydreaming.
> If you wanted to switch init after boot, you need to have that script
> in /sbin/init and have all other inits at other paths.
Hmm, would that be useful, probably e
ilar commands written elsewhere.
Ok, got it, scanning /sys in some ways.
> But really, your requests are very close to the standard usage for mdev.
> Substitute "modprobe -abq" for "resolve_modalias", and the command line
> above is the
omputing/busybox_init.txt)
... and I mostly compiles the kernel myself, and I installed it from
a 32bit debian system with
debootstrap --arch=amd64 --foreign stable /sdb9
and moving the disks etc. Maybe a little unusual method.
Regards,
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ou can use:
PREFIX=/usr/local make
PREFIX=/usr/local make install
or similar to make it install in your preferred dir.
> On debian, devuan, and related distros, you will need to install with:
> make LIBDIR="/usr/lib/$TRIPLET" install
> On non-pure64 64-bit installs of other di
on going into .../device
>
> Or I could add an option to just get the DEVPATH.
No need, just naively testing the stuff, pressing random buttons and
see what happens.
...
> > > On debian, devuan, and related d
t then again I always have a
small /boot partition first in the partition list.
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mandatory.
BTW, there is more than one way to set up (for the local admin)
meaningful /dev-names. And if you don't want to bother with any /dev
nane, you can (manually) check with "sg_mag -x -i" to see which
device is which.
Regards,
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which device
> > is which. Regards, /Karl Hammar
>
> Dear Karl, could you give us more details. Couldn't find any
> "sg_mag" , neither in apt-file (Wheezy), nor in Google.
>
> Didier
>
Sorry, misspelled it:
# sg_map -x -i
/dev/sg0 0 0 0 0 0
ata.se a écrit :
> >>> BTW, there is more than one way to set up (for the local admin)
> >>> meaningful /dev-names. And if you don't want to bother with any /dev
> >>> nane, you can (manually) check with "sg_mag -x -i" to see which device
>
l-linux, touching as less as possible
> https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/util-linux/commit/a51bce5830336af3c5ec9da6de95af926c1b1609
Tell me, if you need help.
...
> My guess now is that we'll have i386 and amd64 as
lename" and so on.
...
> * disabling udev
> * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg
> * adding a huge number of manual entries to /etc/modules
I'm fine with that, and I compiles my own kernels.
Regards,
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on, this really should
> not be hard for them, either.
No.
///
At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or
rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic.
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> karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio,
I don't need pulseaudio, sorry.
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;devinfo" in libsysdev:
> for d in /dev/input/*; do DEV="`devinfo $d`"; [ -e "$DEV/name" ] && { echo
> $d; cat $DEV/name; } ; done
Nice script, I saved that, thanks.
Regards,
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zfs
Then that would be a better starting place.
Thoose two seems to be the relevant links:
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd/
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/
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Steve Litt:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET)
> k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>
> > At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or
> > rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic.
>
> Karl, please document your experiment so that
es.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages
Hash Sum mismatch
maybe one should wait a little till some daemon fixes that...
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> hi Karl, Gravis,
Hi!
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > Gravis:
> > > deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ unstable main
...
> > W: Failed to fetch
> > http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/bin
wxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 20 11:30 /boot/init.sysvinit -> ../sbin/init
#
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/alternatives/init ->
../../sbin/init.sysvinit
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root24 Jun 20 13:06 /sbin/init -> ../etc/alternatives/init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35216 Jul 18 2013 /sbin/init.sysvinit
#
Regards,
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ervers) start mult. x-servers,
one per virtual terminal (and/or physical graphics card):
3334 tty9 Ss+ 166:17 /usr/bin/X :9 -layout 1600 vt9 -nolisten tcp -auth
/tmp/serverauth.BqOG9iXqZQ
3726 tty7 Ss+6:59 X -nolisten tcp :1 -depth 16 vt7 -layout 800
and then run a wm/dm o
ferently.
...
busybox init also have /etc/inittab.
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t removal of libsystemd0:amd64:
sane-utils depends on libsystemd0.
dpkg: error processing package libsystemd0:amd64 (--purge):
dependency problems - not removing
Errors were encountered while processing:
libsystemd0:amd64
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ually in bad connected places
or you are doing lots of installations/testing) ?
Mirroring ftp://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ and having a sources.conf
like:
debfile:/Net/debian jessie main non-free contrib
debfile:/Net/ftp/packages.devuan.org/devuan/ stable main
doesn'
putDevice"
Identifier "Generic Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "SendCoreEvents""true"
Option "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option "Proto
years ago) och don't whish to download that again, but
I'll take a look at it.
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Escape */
sprintf(d, "\\x%02X", *s);
d += 4;
}
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> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:24:17 +0200 (CEST), Karl wrote:
> > Tilt!:
> >> i wonder if we ever get to see such SSIDs from iwlist anyway -
> >> how is it supposed to print SSIDs that contain the zerobyte ...
> >
> > iwlib.c line 989..995:
&
,
else use the debian one etc. That could be handled by using the
right order in sources.list something in preferences.
So if I have a copy of http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ and
a debian mirror, all I need is to prioritize them, am I right
s?
>
> Is it hard to compile and get Xorg to work?
>
> Any comments would be most welcome
I got xorg to work on a funtoo box and that without any udev nor
libudev. I.e. there is no dependancy.
Regards,
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own xorg.conf (I
think). I added flag below to make it work:
Section "ServerFlags"
...
Option "AutoAddDevices" "off"
EndSection
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ian packaging yet.
...
You did some debian packaging earlier and I intended to test this,
but real world issues got in the way.
I'm willing to work on this, perhaps to make a *dev-agnostic version
of the X11 packages.
Regards,
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> On 9/14/15, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> ...
> > How do I get the sysdev branch ?
>
> git checkout remotes/origin/sysdev sysdev
$ git checkout remotes/origin/sysdev sysdev
error: pathspec 'sysdev' did not match any file(s) known to git.
Didn&#x
eckout sysdev
?? co sysdev worked, I'm clueless
Thanks!
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lly pulled
out /dev/sdc, and oops put it back before anyone noticed; should it
show up again as /dev/sdc or should it be /dev/sdf ?
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ted or when
you want to unmount it, after all, fstab and /dev/-names are just
for the user space. The kernel mostly only cares about the maj/min
numbers, or am I wrong?
What happens when you unplug your root fs, wait a few seconds till
the kernel gives up and then plug it in again ?
Regards,
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or even some connection die ?
If you connect the disk again and the kernel sees that it is the same fs
etc., why not silently make it available again, why should the system
have to die ?
Regards,
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-
fore encountering this'.
I have not a parser, but a string splitter in:
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.c
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.h
It splits a string in what I belive shell style. What you do with the
tokens that is your business. It coul
e (74)
My point is that I can write
LOG_IF(fd == -1, LOG_CRIT) return -1; // maybe I should use (fd < 0)
instead of
if(fd == -1) {
//your logging thing
return -1;
}
bonus points I get a copy the code (fd == -1), source file, line no,
severety of the error, and
omeone at:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1551/use-latex-to-produce-epub
gave this formula:
latexml --dest=$1.xml $1.tex
latexmlpost -dest=$1.html $1.xml
ebook-convert $1.html $1.epub --language en --no-default-epub-cover
Rega
Richard:
> Is there somewhere around an initrd.img and a vmlinuz to put on my PXE
> boot server in order to be able to do a netinstall from PXE?
apt-get install syslinux
less /usr/share/doc/syslinux/pxelinux.txt.gz
Regards,
/Karl
th the ability to go initramfs-free, on my
> simpler pure ext4 systems.
I have used initramfs/initrd free system for years, and use md-raid without
any problem. Have a look at Documentation/md.txt in your linux source
dir. And yes, you have to build your own kernel.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
ystem to their liking.
So:
. Debian without systemd
. respect the local admin
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; custom kernel with ext4 and a few other drivers compiled in, and get
> rid of initramfs altogether. Then, the usage that has been done of
> initramfs in the last few years is just an overkill, IMHO.
Ack.
Regards,
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3458016 Aug 1 15:36 /boot/vmlinuz-3.12.8-rt11-i3
> How do you tell your kernel not to load an initramfs?
Add noinitrd to your boot cmdline or don't compile in support for it,
make menuconfig
-> General setup
about 75% down: Initial RAM filesystem and RAM disk
Adam Borowski:
> On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 09:32:31PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote:
> > Adam Borowski:
> > > On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:15:39PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > > > download your kernel from your favourite site, e.g.
> > > > ftp:ftp.sunet.se/pu
rollers out there) and vfat in
the kernel. Mount /boot in your initrd and go from there. /boot can
always be mounted read-only unless when changing kernel and boot
things. Files in /boot don't need user id's nor unix permissions so
vfat is perfectly ok.
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http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html
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> relatively old howto here:
...
There is a new "howto":
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.kernel-compilation.en.html
basically, do (or some variation of):
make menuconfig
make deb-pkg
Regards,
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> 2016-01-05 12:28 GMT+01:00, Karl Hammar :
> > And what has "how to login" to do with "how to boot" ?
>
> It's easier to
> * avoid hacks in the login process if your software controls
> everything from the power button to the sess
l is easy, tools are provided (later kernels have a
deb-pkg target), choosing configuration is the hard part.
Would it be sensible for devuan to set up a user contrib site where one
can upload kerlnels and or configs, together with reasons why that
config is choosen ?
Regards,
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ntal property of the system
> which exists completely indepedently of someone's inability (or
> unwillingness) to imagine of something this could be good for.
...
It is important to respect that, trust the local root user, don't
de
ure.
> And was curious about your experience, hence the thread.
Soo, any conclutions ?
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ration is the hard part.
> >
> > Would it be sensible for devuan to set up a user contrib site where one
> > can upload kerlnels and or configs, together with reasons why that
> > config is choosen ?
> >
> Sure, how about talk.devuan.org
kernel.devuan.org ?
Tho
Aitor:
> On 01/06/2016 10:10 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > choosing configuration is the hard part.
> You are right :)
So then, it's there we should share our knowledge.
Regards,
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se any of those, but without pam, a life
> without systemd seem much easier.
> Maybe I'm wrong.
...
I wouldn't complain if pam goes, I currently don't care.
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Rainer Weikusat:
...
> Patient: Doctor! Doctor! Whenever I do X, it hurts terribly!
> Doctor: Don't do X.
Not that I'm immune to it myself, but when I look att others, I do
wonder why people continue to do X.
Regar
user and then gaining root powers.
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Ahh, the new kid on the block...
...
> ..why did Debian kill ssh into localhost?
> Is su or sudo safer than ssh nowadays?
telnet or ssh localhost | tee log_file is useful for demonstrations.
Test this
open two or more xterms (or similar), same size
term 1: ssh localhost | tail trac
it so ?
> That ext2 must be on a smaller than 2TB disk, unless you want to throw
I have 3TB disks with gpt disklabel and lilo, no problem.
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boot from the other one and it works. It worked for
> Grub-0.9 as well.
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ot just use writev(2) and write it one system call ?
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a SIGSEGV if you are useing sigaltstack().
Never tested it though and don't know it it is useful at all.
...
> In this respect, there's no difference between alloca and static stack
> allocations.
...
Soo, the above is nearly the same as
char buf[total];
p = buf;
Why then
e and writev may end up writing less data than requested and
> the code for restarting a partially completed writev is more complicated
> than the same for write.
Both true.
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L) cmdline_pgm = argv[0];
else cmdline_pgm++;
It worked and I moved on. Should I do it again, I'd consider Rainers
code.
///
As for Rainers original question, his code is pretty understandable
for me except for the "&= 0x20", which forced me to think.
Regards,
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rather sooner than later.
> Eg nearly any client of a physician, a lawyer...
Yes, absolutely. If you don't know the field and don't check the advice
you get, you are in for trouble.
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value; says two things;
a: it declares an "ix" such as when ix is used as "*ix" it will be an int
b: ix = value
Another example is:
#include
#include
void (*log_vfunc)(int priority, const char *format, va_list ap
oc() inside a function and free() outside it invites to memory
leaks, don't do that to yourself. Something like
void *mem = malloc(...);
func_call(...);
free(mem);
is way more easy to debug. Yes, that doesn't map wery good to your
example, but you might benefit from rethinking how you us
y, I'd
not consider int ii to be an array even though int *pp = &ii,
-- but who cares.
But there is a real differnce between
int arr[10];
and
int *pp = calloc(10, sizeof(int));
as pp can be assigned to, but not arr, i.e. pp = malloc() works
but not arr = malloc().
Regard
ion pointers don't
> need to be dereferenced, they can be used just like functions.
...
You need it in the declaration, but not in the use, but I didn't want
to confuse the matter.
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;t exist ? It could be abort() but it
could just as well be just a no-op, choose your pick.
You can compare it to the array case
for (ix = 0; ix < arr_max; ix++) { change_value(arr + ix); }
If the array is empty, that would be a big no-op. Or would you choose
an abort() when arr_max =
te possibility is
to pass down a string and parse it which is quite radable from the
calling side :)
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int ** pointer2 = & pointer1;
int *** pointer3 = & pointer2;
int pointer4 = & pointer3;
/* etc... */
return pointer4;
}
$ gcc -Wall a.c; ./a.out; echo $?
4
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new features and likely without having anything to do really?
> its still good to have someone who knows the code of the package as a
> reference for questions, CVEs and such.
...
I also use lilo, perhaps we could gather a
to replace them in TV sets in this way and no customer came back
> complaining.
...
Higher voltage ratings usually comes with a higher capacitance, so you
get resistive losses when more charges gets pumped around, hence a hotter
component in some kind of applications. There is also some
xpdf ~/a.pdf &
[3]+ Running xpdf ~/a.pdf &
$
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rentice Hall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unix_Programming_Environment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_%28book%29
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loop_end;
loop_post();
loop_end:
for a
while loop, init and pre are empty
for loop, pre is empty
do-while, init and post are empty
break is goto loop_end, continue is goto loop_start.
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RFID tag is
> less than a tweet.
I have examples in:
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoprotocol/
for anyone interested.
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ig icanon, eof
and eol characters to their default values
-cooked
same as raw
--
-raw same as cooked
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...
> I am attaching the source file for comments for all those who may want
> to comment.
If you want to compare, have a look:
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.h
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/c/libaspoutil/parse.c
Regards,
/Karl
d/ directories. For instance, the integration
with grub relies on /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
and /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub to call update-grub
when kernels are installed or removed.
so have a look into your /etc/kernel/ directories to find a way to
disable automatic updating o
e = readlink($file);
next unless (defined($name));
$name =~ s|.*/||;
print "mknod $name $type $maj $min\n";
}
closedir $dh;
}
sub main() {
run_dir($char, "c");
run_dir($block,
if you use a initrd/initramd or your perl is on a /usr
partition. Basically I would be against pulling in a big subsystem like
perl in the booting process. And isn't mdev/vdev/static dev there for
a thing like this.
Hälsnin
out udev or libudev depenancies.
What you loose is implicit xorg.conf generation and something with
different lang.layouts on keyboards (the thing that made xmodmap
deprecated), and possible more things.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
ns are mirrored
and have no problems with it, remove any disk, still boots.
Lilo's only task is to load the kernel (initrd/initramfs). That task is
easier if you use a small /boot at the beginning of the disk.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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ootloaders.
Next scenario is if you have the bootloader on a different media, say
e.g. a floppy. Then, will lilo load the kernel from disk 2 when disk 1
fails (assuming mirrored /boot) ? Do grub handle that ?
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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a lilo installation?
Isn't that what the chainloader is for ?
Like when dualbooting MS-Windows and Linux.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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g report as wontfix.
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> But we all agree that this is just an enormous bunch of unnecessary
> nonsense, right?
Ack, I don't even need udev to mount /usr.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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e the image of creating new
"exciting" things from things (people, organisations) joining forces.
Soo, someone is having fun with the language.
And to summarize, the only thing of substance in the article is the
statement that dyne.org will focus on devuan.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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