Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-08-17 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: >> I don't understand this. My understanding of lilo is that is just finds >> the blocks where the kernel is, and usually the kernel file is not placed >> in any superblock or signature; shouldn't the file system driver ensure >> that ? > > It has to find the partition with

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-08-17 Thread Simon Hobson
And also see http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/olddoc/html/tech_21-5.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-18 Thread Simon Hobson
OT, but there seem to be a few people who understand such in-depth stuff here ;-) I'm in the process of recovering (with ddrescue) files of a failing drive - no backups as "it's only TV" recordings and I can't afford the disk space anyway. It's going better than I expected with most of the file

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-18 Thread Simon Hobson
Rob Owens wrote: > I don't know the answer to your read-only question. But having done some > data recovery in the past, I've found that attaching the drive via USB and > sitting the drive in the freezer during recovery can help in situations like > this. I have considered that, but for the

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-18 Thread Simon Hobson
info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > Your right, even with the ro flag the mounting pc would try to repair the > filesystem. For more information and the solutions see > http://forensicswiki.org/wiki/Forensic_Live_CD_issues. Well that's a facepalm moment. Very interesting article. A few other

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > You can't mount ext4 as ext2 because of extents and a bunch of other > features. I found that out this morning ;-) I'd forgotten that I'd used ETX4 on this drive - I'm one of those "why change if it aint broke" people still using EXT3. > To disable journal recovery mount

Re: [DNG] OT: disk recovery software (was: true read-only disk)

2016-08-19 Thread Simon Hobson
While watching the disk struggle reading bits of metadata that's been read before, it gave me an idea for a tools - I just wish I even had a fraction of the skills needed to build it. While the "image the whole thing and work form the image" does work - it doesn't work for disks like these f***i

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > To disable journal recovery mount with -oro,norecovery, ... Just an update on how things are going. I've been using -o ro,noatime,nodiratime,norecovery as mount options, and that seems to work well. Took my disks home (been using a PC I have at work for testing disks and

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

2016-08-24 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > OK, please cite me even a single judge's opinion in any copyright case > that says that linking (e.g., dynamic linker calls to an ELF library) > automatically creates a derivative work based on the linked code (which > IIRC is the view expressed in the GPL FAQ). OK, there's a

[DNG] OT: On the subject of learning how to use what you have

2016-09-02 Thread Simon Hobson
It's come up a few times that a lot of problems "with" ${package} aren't actually problems with the package, but people who didn't bother to learn how to use it properly. Today's XKCD seems to fit in with that quite nicely - especially the rollover popup :-) http://xkcd.com/1728/ _

Re: [DNG] What does Devuan expect from a boot-loader?

2016-10-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: >> And what about RAID? I need it. And I like also Reiserfs, maybe >> not the fastest but rock-solid; is it supported by Lilo? > > Wait a minute. Couldn't you have an ext4 root directory, and have all > data on RAID mounts? Doesn't need that, it just needs a /boot partitio

Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

2016-10-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Robert Storey wrote: > I can't remember the last time I saw an actual CD drive (as opposed to a DVD > drive). OK, I guess you can still find CD music players, but on computers, > CD-only drives are a blast from the past. I think they'll soon be to the youngsters, what modern tech was to this j

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Rowland Penny wrote: > I stuck another motherboard in and started up the machine again ... > Finally, in desperation, I ran 'dmesg | grep eth0' and found my problem: > > root@server:~# dmesg | grep eth0 > [0.921998] r8169 :02:00.0 eth0: RTL8168b/8111b at 0xc9006000, > 00:1d:60

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Nate Bargmann wrote: > After I thought about it some, there is a certain logic to udev's > behavior but it would seem to make more sense if the network adapter is > on a hot-pluggable interface (PCMCIA, USB, etc.), or is in addition to > the adapter already assigned to eth0 on a PCI bus. The beh

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Hobson
hellekin wrote: > ... nobody cares As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let me say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan "happen" - regardless of the size of their contribution. I watch (or at least, skim) most of the discussions, mostl

Re: [DNG] trouble with wifi one step away

2016-11-30 Thread Simon Hobson
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > This sounds like a bug; 182.etc is not inside the DHCP server's network. A > linux box should not end up with an IP address outside the DHCP server's > address/netmask, even if the DHCP server is returning nonsense. The linux box > should either get a usable address o

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> OK fine, just have this yes or no question early in the install: >> >> = >> Are you willing to have the install try non-free drivers and firmware >> for your network, video, keyboard and mouse if free drivers

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> That's a non sequitur >> The ONLY, and I mean ONLY bit that's relevant is the one about licence terms >> - and that's *relatively* easy to deal with one way or another as the >> licence terms are there to be read (either there are terms that allow you to >> redistrib

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > No, they were introduced to guarantee the inventor the exclusivity of his > invention for a certain time, so he alone could profit from it during that > time. > > Introduced to make research economically viable. And the flip side is that to get a patent, you have

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: > All very good points, indeed, which unfortunately become automatically > nonsense in the case of software. 17 or 25 years are the blink of an > eye for hardcore 19th centrury industrial innovation, when the patent > system was invesned, but correspond to several geological eras i

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Clarke Sideroad wrote: > I believe software should not be patent-able ... And this is part of the "system is broken" - especially in the USA. A novel business process which happens to use computers/software should (IMO) be patentable under the same rules of prior art/obviousness as any physica

Re: [DNG] Link-up, DHCP, etc (Was: Wifi Script within Debian InstallerNetworking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release)

2016-12-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: >> uh? dhcp has nothing to do with wifi authentication, and you don't >> need to know anything about ip or ifconfig if you are using a dhcp >> client... > > In that case, I need to do a lot more studying of networking (which I > knew), because everything I've seen tells me link

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-01 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: >> Which caching daemon are you using? > > That's one of the things I don't know. I suspect it's whatever > the devuan installer provided me long ago. > > How do I find out? What do /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nssswitch.conf have in them ? Though to be honest, other than th

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-02 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > It should be noted that many programs presume to cache DNS, e.g., Web > browsers do, as does the Java runtime. Indeed. Not only that, but many cache content as well - browser caching can be a real PITA when it caches "the wrong thing", and especially with "clever" browsers t

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > What's wrong with 8.8.8.8? It's Google's public DNS, and for me, it > always works. That's fine - no-one is saying that you shouldn't use them if **you** want to. What people object to is a hidden change, where something that **should** work one way (DNS lookups fail if no

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> Even worse is when there isn't a >> mechanism for turning this off. > > Well, not quite. if you know *ix at all[0]: > > # sed -i 's/^nameserver/#nameserver/' /etc/resolv.conf > > > To disable system DNS (but not /etc/hosts) entirely: > > # cp /etc/nsswitch.conf /etc/nssw

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > You probably have some data on this matter that I lack. I read the Debian bug report someone linked to some messages back in this thread. > Is this some > systemd brain-damage you're referring to? Some file that gets consulted > instead of /etc/resolv.conf ? The current ve

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-04 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > Don't several system comopnents, such as dhcp clients, happily rewrite > resolve.conf, wiping out anything the sysadmin may have set up. Yes, but if you are using DHCP to configure your interfaces, there's an implicit assumption that you want "stuff" configured by a servi

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-05 Thread Simon Hobson
ja...@beau.org wrote: > I kind of like: > > A) Beginner > B) Experienced > C) Expert > D) NetGod Isn't this missing the point ? If the problem is working around broken DHCP and/or local resolvers, then it comes down to : A) If network configuration works and we can resolve the names we need to

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
On 5 Jan 2017, at 23:33, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): >> Rick Moen wrote: >> >>> Without objection, I'll point out that one leading advantage of a local >>> recursive server (what you probably mean when you say '

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> IFF we are going to put stuff in to work around problems for one set >> of edge cases (and IMO it's debatable whether we should), then why not >> also cater for what is possibly a larger group of edge cases ? Your >> argument seems to be "this is the only set of edge cases I'm

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Fred DC wrote: > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* mailinglist. Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that systemd is anti-freedom, and so being pro-freedom can appear to be anti-systemd. Or p

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > Why settle for bad when you can have excellent for free? But you don't > see it, so we're wasting time talking. Actually I do see exactly what you are saying - and I have come across resolvers with poor performance. For **for the duration of an install**, just how many DNS

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > I wasn't suggesting a distro installer checkbox item offering local > recursive nameservice for use during installation. I was suggesting a > checkbox item offering to install a local recursive nameserver (and > resolver conf to use it) on the installed system. Fair enough -

Re: [DNG] defective RAID

2017-03-25 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > I have two twinned RAIDs which are working just fine although the > second drive for both RAIDs is missing. After all, that's what it is > supposed to do -- work when things are broken.. > > The RAIDs are mdadm-style Linux software RAIDs. One contains a /boot > partiti

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Joachim Fahrner wrote: > ... it creates a ~/.gvfs directory which is not accessible by root. ... > I'm wondering how they achieve that, it should not be possible at all. Extended attributes ? I know that with MacOS there some system files that root can't fiddle with, there's extended attributes

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-14 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: >> For start, we'd just write a small library, that logs to syslog, >> perhaps maintains some pidfiles (maybe even a *compile-time* option >> to route directly to libsystemd), then patch up packages that currently >> use libsystemd to use our new one. >> > > I personally don't se

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-14 Thread Simon Hobson
k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Given the choises given, it seems that the target of the monitor is > network servers. Couldn't the monitor find out the ready_local, > ready_all and shutdown by itself by monitoring which ports are open ? ... > And, what if the monitor cannot trust the program it monit

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-14 Thread Simon Hobson
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: >> For those of us who put consistency above boot speed, simply changing >> the init script so MySQL doesn't flag as "started" until the daemon >> is up and ready to accept requests would fix it; > > But then you'll have kind of daemon who watches mysql

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Simon Hobson
exha...@posteo.net wrote: > In my opinion, this is the best that has been written about init or > supervisor, +1 > (I'm absolutely agree with this) > > "There's no need to search for the perfect init or supervisor. Long ago > we got a bunch of them that are all good enough, and can be combined

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Bruce Perens wrote: > Apple actually didn't win because it had a big marketing department and > psychologists. Just Steve. I worked with Steve for 12 years, and during part > of that time had an office right across from his at Pixar. Steve understood a > lot of stuff that would help Free Softw

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Simon Hobson
I wrote: > What you appear to be suggesting is that for the sake of the 95%, the 5% > should not be permitted to "fix" things to work as they want them to work. > And that if we do customise then we'd be unable to understand that what we > are running isn't the standard UI. Yes there will be so

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: > Beyond the legends, Apple wins because they have always treated their > users like monkeys to be locked in (something that they have been > extremely successful at), and have focused on an extremely reduced set > of supported hardware. Being a bit pedantic, but for completeness

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

2017-07-01 Thread Simon Hobson
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > At that point I'm curious which fancy features of systemd are needed > by applications at all ? In general - none ! But, it seems that the technique being used by it's proponents is to substitute their stuff and "force" new APIs on developers. Ie, pic

Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

2017-07-04 Thread Simon Hobson
Joachim Fahrner wrote: > I get lots of those errors in my postfix log: > > Jul 3 18:09:16 server postfix/smtpd[2840]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > tupac2.dyne.org[178.62.188.7]: 450 4.7.1 : Helo command > rejected: Host not found; from= > to= proto=ESMTP helo= > > Is there some configuratio

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

2017-07-05 Thread Simon Hobson
Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > No idea whether systemd services run by non-system users makes sense but > then again, lots of systemd probably doesn't make much sense. Do you mean "systemd service" as in "something that's part of systemd"; or do you mean "something that's run by systemd" ? Assuming t

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

2017-07-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> But, sysv-init has much the same issue in that there's a shell script >> run as root, > > I beg to differ. If you try to run a service as user '0day' from a > sysv-init script, then you get the behaviour of implemented by > > - that service if it has provisions for ru

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-11 Thread Simon Hobson
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we* > need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the > crap when neccessary. > > And just not caring about that lennartware crap at all. Not even wasting > time w/ de

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-11 Thread Simon Hobson
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: >> 3) Explain (in rational, technical, non-political) terms why people should >> care that there is a choice - and why we think they would be wise to take it. > > I wouldn't waste time on that. They have to learn by themselves - > preaching doesn't help

[DNG] A little acknowlegement from TheRegister

2017-07-17 Thread Simon Hobson
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ After mention of the "can't trust init" message, they finish off with : > Yup – that's systemd as in the code so hated by “veteran Unix sysadmins” that > they forked Debian and created Devuan Linux to avoid having to use it. Those > two bu

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-07-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> IFF we are going to put stuff in to work around problems for one set >> of edge cases (and IMO it's debatable whether we should), then why not >> also cater for what is possibly a larger group of edge cases ? Your >> argument seems to be "this is the only set of edge cases I'm

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

2017-07-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Boruch Baum wrote: > The bad news is that if this is the only step I take, "apt-get" will > want to upgrade 1248 packages (it looks more impressive when I write it > out . . One Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty Eight packages) with a > download size of 608 Mb. What if, instead of doing "apt-get

Re: [DNG] reportbug is the stable repository

2017-07-21 Thread Simon Hobson
I wrote: > All the time, a lot of people we stood on the sidelines willing them to fail. Oops, s/we/were/ Personally I was watching and thinking "that's one hell of a task, I'm a bit sceptical* but I sure as heck hope they manage it". * Not knowing who these veterans were, and their level of sk

Re: [DNG] runing old stuff (cars) (Was: [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE)

2017-07-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who >> still own and use historic cars from the last century for example. > > The people who still own and use historic cars do so in the knowledge > that, over time, it tends to be an expensive hobby. Also (obvi

Re: [DNG] running old stuff

2017-07-24 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:17:29PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: >> >> So the analogy is, I wouldn't expect "support" for all this "new" >> stuff on an old vehicle. Similarly, as other have suggested, if I >> was runnin

Re: [DNG] Teaching IT & programming (Was: Please keep 32-bits alive)

2017-07-26 Thread Simon Hobson
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > On 26.07.2017 04:47, Christopher Clements wrote: > >> My high-school programming class was advertised as teaching people how to >> program in C and do all sorts of low-level stuff. I signed up thinking >> I might finally meet a "computer expert" that

Re: [DNG] Teaching IT & programming

2017-07-30 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Certificates and I also dare say, EXPENSIVE colleges and universities > matter a lot. Certificates yes, college/university yes, expensive much less so (varies by location). For college/university, what matters more is it's standing in the relevant field. For example, ma

[DNG] Systemd wins top gong for 'lamest vendor' in Pwnie security awards

2017-07-30 Thread Simon Hobson
Ah, this made my afternoon :-) https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/28/black_hat_pwnie_awards/ > And finally, the lamest vendor response award went to Systemd supremo Lennart > Poettering for his controversial, and perhaps questionable, handling of the > following bugs in everyone's favorite i

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

2017-08-01 Thread Simon Hobson
ni...@airmail.cc wrote: > Yes I am a licensed attorney. Whether you are or not isn't all that material. Your posting was very OT for this list as well as long and tedious, and you are being very hostile to anyone not bowing to your claimed (but unproven) qualifications. Basically, if you "invad

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

2017-08-02 Thread Simon Hobson
Antony Stone wrote: > Is it possible to check the mail server logs for delivery failures on the > problematic addresses (which is presumably what the warning email means by > "bounces") to see what reason was given by the receiving server? That's the important thing to look for - and my money

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

2017-08-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Narcis Garcia wrote: > 1. SPF is a friendlier solution and enough for this. SPF breaks mailing lists and mail forwarders - and this is NOT (IMO) fixable without introducing a wide open front gate for spammers to ride through and completely bypass SPF. So consider that *I* publish an SPF recor

Re: [DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

2017-08-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > My personal favourite is bridged mode, which has only an one-time setup > cost, and makes guest VMs operate exactly same as if they were physically > separate machines plugged into your ethernet switch next to the host. > As a bonus, that setup cost is shared with lxc, whic

Re: [DNG] Just out of curiosity, I wondered,

2017-08-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > rtl8139 is a 100Mbit card, you really don't want your virtual network speed > hobbled by emulating such gear. It doesn't work like that. The nominal speed of the card is merely that of the real card being emulated - in the emulated version, there's no serial pipe to get

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-15 Thread Simon Hobson
Narcis Garcia wrote: > As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. > If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not work. Well, maybe, but these days you can't take that on trust. Your OS no longer runs native on the processor - there's EFI as a shim between you

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Keep in mind that someone from the audience may tell you that > fine control requires the knowledge of complicated shell scripting and > the knowledge of how diverse programs are configured in their > configuration files. Just like Windows, with PowerShell - and a confusi

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-16 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it > bundles a graphical file shell? If you want one of those, install > whichever one you like best on an a la carte basis. The whole DE > concept lacks a compelling justification, IMO. Ah, now that opens up a

Re: [DNG] Updating PCI ID lists in installer (Was: suggestion)

2017-08-17 Thread Simon Hobson
John Franklin wrote: > Adding a network dependency on a package install is generally a bad idea. > What happens if the machine doesn’t have external network access, as is often > the case for corporate build servers or people installing Devuan from USB > sticks where the wireless card isn’t s

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > There was a lengthy thread on debian-devel recently. While it did include > the usual shout-fest, there's also a good amount of actually relevant info, > thus I'd recommend reading it. > > It starts at: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/07/msg00126.html It is

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > As a wee lad, my mentors told me never to put two of the same model > NICs in a computer, because which one became eth0 and which became eth1 > would be indeterminate from boot to boot. That's horrible, and that *is* > solved by the systemd naming scheme. Except when it isn't

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Therefore, if I were in a position to take decisions I would > not expect a computer to know what I need. However, a computer should > have no difficulty processing data. A decent OS should save a map of > how hardware is connected, somewhat like a hardware tree with all >

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-27 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: > It would mean changes to every single program that deals with network > interfaces. With renaming, you apply this in a single place. This. If an interface name changes, I don't want to have to find and change every occurrence - network config, firewall/iptables rules, dh

Re: [DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

2017-08-27 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: >> That's PS/2, not RS232. > > True, true. And there seem to be two different sizes of those > round plugs in use. At least, I've seen adapters to connect between > the two sizes. I think you may be thinking of the original PC keyboard connector which was a standard DIN

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-28 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Do I understand you ccorrectly: that the udev rules are flexible >> enough to do the right thing, but they are too hard to use? > > Yes. On some occations I had to find out where in /sys a device had it's > control and attribute directory (not easy at all to a newb

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-28 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > Do I understand correctly that grub-install will scan my only hard > drive looking for (at least) bootable Linux systems? And that as a > result, running grub-install on the old system will detect both and > create a grub menu that contains both? > > (of course, using t

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-28 Thread Simon Hobson
And the other option is to chroot and update/install grub from there (not mine, just copied from another list) : mkdir /sysroot mount /dev/your-root-dev /sysroot mount /dev/your-boot-dev /sysroot/boot mount --bind /dev /sysroot/dev mount --bind /sys /sysroot/sys mount --bind /proc /sysroot/proc m

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> I figure that over sizing the >> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid >> assumption, however. > > I am convinced it is. The more cells to pseudo-randomically spread writes > to, the lower the number of write operations that are perform

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > However, when booting the unidentified Linux system, it mounts exactly > the same partitions as the old Linux system. It appears to > completely ignore the new /etc/fstab in the new system. Are you using an initrd/initramfs ? If so, did you update it ? That's one possib

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Martin Steigerwald wrote: >> Wear-levelling today is handled by the firmware transparently to the OS. >> Trimming only affect the filesystem's block-allocator algorithm, not >> wear-levelling. > > How should the drive know that a deleted block is a block is can use again > without the operatin

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-30 Thread Simon Hobson
Chris Kalin wrote: > It's also a decent idea to keep the total partition size under about 80% of > the total drive size so that you get the same write performance no matter how > full the partition gets. If partition size = drive size you'll start to see > massive slowdowns as the drive gets

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > If you read the National Transportation Safety Board report on the Pan > American World Airways flight 799 disaster that killed my father in > December '68 I found that after you mentioned it earlier - it made sobering reading. You and your family have my sympathies, it canno

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root >> authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending >> character changing from "$" to "#". >> >> It could work. Somebody should try it, some time. :D > ..I still miss and prefer the S.

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-07 Thread Simon Hobson
Didier Kryn wrote: >This has nothing to do with Linux becoming Windows-like, nor Systemd. Udev > started doing that a dozen years ago, at least, and Windows desktop or > laptops do not need that feature more than Linux's. This feature is > essentially dedicated to servers with multiple net

Re: [DNG] trusting components (was: systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1)

2017-10-19 Thread Simon Hobson
John Franklin wrote: > Note, I say, “possible”, not guaranteed or anything like that. Signing > doesn’t prevent malware from getting in to the system. If the build system > is compromised, as was the case recently with CCleaner, the malware gets > signed. There was a much earlier example -

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: > And what if you want to use your own unsigned bootloader? Why should > you ask someone else the permission to boot your own machine? o_O Two ways : 1) You simply turn off secure boot and it'll boot your unsigned binary. If your machine doesn't have that then it's a bug and you

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Simon Hobson
m712 wrote: > I'd really like to meet Richard Stallman in person. I hope I can, someday. I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - and that's how I found him. I assume it's just the way he is, some of us ar

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

2017-11-22 Thread Simon Hobson
Adam Borowski wrote: >> merkaba:~> netstat -i > You want "ip -s a", I'm too lazy to see if you can get just the counters. Or use the contents of /proc/net/dev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

2017-12-04 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > Back in my youth, the wise men told me that NFS was a horrible security > threat unless you also used YP, which was too sophisticated for me to > ever figure out. So these days I use sshfs, which is nice, but slower > than a turtle dragging a railroad engine. > > Is NFS still

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

2017-12-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote: > Ok but this is not about NFS but about any FS that can be accessed over > network. It may help to point out something that I didn't spot when I first came across NFS. With SMB, AFS, FSoverSSH, etc, etc, etc the client authenticates to the server as a specific us

Re: [DNG] two dhcp configurations

2017-12-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > Somehow I have two dhcp configuration files: > > /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf > > and > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > on my Devuan Jessie system, which was upgraded from Debian preJessie > (I forget what that one was called) Wheezy > They have similar, but not identical contents. B

Re: [DNG] two dhcp configurations

2017-12-10 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: > $ apt-file search dhcpd.conf > > says that the former comes from isc-dhcp-server (as someone else > suggested) while the latter does not belong to any package in > particular, so it must have been put there by you (or by an older > package that does not exist eny more, who know

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

2017-12-28 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > That's exactly my point. To do something better than my backup > solution, I would have needed to go with something less tested, with > less complete supporting software, and something I trust less than > ext4. I haven't had ext4 mess up on me in at least 6 years. Even ext2 >

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

2018-02-14 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: >> Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? > > Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent. Perhaps I'm missing something, but why does being a beta preclude offering a torrent ? It looks like it would have made a huge difference to distributing the file(s). ___

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-14 Thread Simon Hobson
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > FWIW, other printers are handled using some other IPC protocol. Same > information sent back and forth, but a different socket and protocol. My > Brother MFC8880 uses IPP and... I forget the name of the other protocol. FWIW, while it generally costs more, I've always

Re: [DNG] Postscript (Was: printing in a D-Bus free system)

2018-03-15 Thread Simon Hobson
k...@aspodata.se wrote: >> Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without >> hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to >> work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings >> etc) are there any good guides for this? > >

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

2018-03-16 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > >> Seeing all the rage against non-PS printing here recently, I’m >> wondering how PCL compares? Is it better/worse/equal to PostScript? Is >> there any reason to prefer one over the other? > > PCL printing is general

Re: [DNG] Protect laptop from power supply voltage transients

2018-03-25 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Lately, I have experienced an amplifier input failure that was > supplied audio signals from a laptop powered with an AC mains power > supply. 2pin or 3pin mains input to the power supply ? > As you know, these AC power supplies are of the switching type > that use an in

Re: [DNG] Protect laptop from power supply voltage transients

2018-03-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > What you wrote reminded me of a dangerous filter that consists of two > high voltage series-connected capacitors connected in parallel with > the mains with their middle point earthed. Since these capacitors are > almost certainly the same value they will devide the mains

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-04 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that > stole DOS. While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought it outright for what the person selling it accep

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

2018-06-09 Thread Simon Hobson
Haines Brown wrote: > In the partitioning scheme, sda is HD ST1000DX002-2DV1. It has a primary > partition that is bootable and the mount point /. You probably want to set this partition to unused (or whatever it's called, it's a looong time since I last did this) so that it doesn't appear in t

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

2018-06-10 Thread Simon Hobson
Haines Brown wrote: >> You probably want to set this partition to unused (or whatever it's >> called, it's a looong time since I last did this) so that it doesn't >> appear in the mount point table (eventually in fstab of the new >> install). I think what you are telling it is that you want sd

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