Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Certificates and I also dare say, EXPENSIVE colleges and universities
> matter a lot.

Certificates yes, college/university yes, expensive much less so (varies by 
location). For college/university, what matters more is it's standing in the 
relevant field.
For example, maaany years ago I was lucky enough to get a place with a local 
large engineering firm (actually, UK defence contractor) as a sponsored student 
- very good deal, but the details aren't important.
As it happens, I had been accepted by one of the most prestigious names in UK 
universities - while the employer would normally have suggested I went to one 
of those "you're going where !" places which actually had a very good 
reputation for engineering. My postnominals look very impressive to people who 
don't know the system, while in reality aren't that impressive to potential 
employers.


> With what you (golinux) said, one only gets employed with
> a small business, one is paid peanuts for work that otherwise would be
> paid far better.

That describes my situation - though there are other benefits from working in a 
smaller outfit. One of the reasons I left that large employer was because I 
didn't like the "large employer" practices. I'd be a **LOT** better of 
financially and career wise if I'd stuck it out, but I just couldn't stand 
working there long term. Since then I've got a lot more experience across a 
range of areas that I'd have never got there.

BUT - if I could go back and tell my younger me to do something different, the 
only thing I'd say would be to get certificates as I went. I've a range of 
experience, but I don't have any magic bits of paper that can get past the 
"tick list" of stuff the HR person needs to have before I can even got to an 
interview.


> The reason is getting knowledge without formal proof cannot be proven unless 
> one submits oneself to rigorous examinations to get certification.

Indeed, and one area I regret not keeping up with.

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