[DNG] Fwd: Gummiboot patch

2015-06-17 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Gummiboot is my favorite boot loader, mainly due to it loading the kernel from the EFI partition and thus not requiring a third partition for /boot when you use encrypted root. I first became familiar with it on Arch Linux well after their switch to systemd; but despite this project now being inte

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Gummiboot patch

2015-06-17 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > My question is whether you or anyone else is willing to > completely fork this software. > To be dependable, this source code needs to be preserved, under a > different name, and maintained completely separately from the thing > called "Gummiboo

Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

2015-06-20 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 18/06/2015 17:23, Laurent Bercot a écrit : >> Absolutely. Why enforce exclusion when you can have a choice ? >> Make a "currently active" vs. "inactive" switch, I don't know the >> Debian/Devuan terminology, and allow users to install both

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux, Libre Linux, binary blobs, choice, freedom. philosophy

2015-07-01 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > I think anyone who wants to revisit Debian's current free/nonfree repo > structure, or its stance wrt licensing, should get their desired changes > merged into Debian itself. Then, and only then, should Devuan consider them. I personally t

[DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

2015-07-03 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
I've successfully made an installer image, practically usable through non-optical drives only, for amd64-compatible (U)EFI computers! Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1OGj4xwAe9_YjBBeF84NTk4Wms/view?usp=sharing Installation: decompress then dd, or maybe `zcat [...].img.gz > /dev/sdb`

Re: [DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

2015-07-04 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > What's the problem with UEFI computers booting? I'd be keen to fix the > installer or related packages to make it work properly... Well, the official installer image from the downloads page is simply built without EFI support, unlike Debian

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:29 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: >> nano -> vim > I believe it's not time for changes in the defaults. The first thing I > do on fresh installs is to pull in vim and emacs, make one of them the > default editor and rem

Re: [DNG] devuan Alpha2 installs nicely and works on old Acer amd64

2015-07-15 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Dave Turner wrote: > Are there any instructions on how to use the devuan-baseconf.deb? Never used it, but AFAIHeard you simply install it, update (and check if it correctly disabled all Debian (?) repos) , dist-upgrade! > I have an old iMac > Booting the iMac fr

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > As for desktop environment, I assume the option of having none will remain. > With all this talk of xfce, I hope those who use none will be accommodated. Extrememly likely -- the current installer (since Debian jessie alpha 1 ?), which we ar

Re: [DNG] nano for beginners

2015-07-16 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Anto wrote: > In vi I use 10yy and then p to copy and paste 10 lines. And I use 10dd to > delete 10 lines and press u to undo that if I mistakenly deleted the wrong > lines. > What are the equivalent commands for that in nano? > ctrl+k cuts a line. If you immedia

Re: [DNG] vi for beginners

2015-07-16 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
A little shortcut from the extreme basics I know of vi: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > 6) Type the following, followed by hitting , in order to save > and quit: > > :wq ZZ (uppercase) saves and quits, no questions asked! ___ Dng ma

Re: [DNG] emacs for beginners

2015-07-16 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:34:08PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >>"M-" stands for "hold ALT. > > And if you don't have an ALT key, press and release escape, then type > the letter that was supposed too be alted. > Will someone please do "irssi for

[DNG] "/data" folder in Devuan Ascii

2015-08-01 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
I had JUST used Android adb as superuser so I thought for some reason adb faithfully recreated the folder structure, but after seeing the contents of a mysterious /data/ folder appearing in my root, it quickly became clear any accidental human error isn't mine (not pointing fingers at anyone, let's

[DNG] Patch aptitude to download changelogs

2015-08-05 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
apt-get build-essential aptitude apt-get source aptitude cd aptitude-0.6.11 $EDITOR src/cmdline/cmdline_changelog.cc:341 src/view_changelog.cc:410 → Change to [...] Origin(), "Devuan") [...] $EDITOR src/gtk/changelog.cc → There's another "Debian" to change to "Devuan", but I didn't note the line

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: > various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie > install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! > XFCE doesn't work at all. Devuan Testing installs systemd by default, but it's easy to remove without breaking

Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 06:55 PM, "aitor_czr" ha scritto: > libcupsimage2 : Depende: libcups2 (= 1.7.5-11) pero 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 va a ser instalado Does Debian have the same problem? Last time I used my computer about a week ago I fully updated Devuan Ascii with no issue, but the version numbers suggest th

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 07:01 PM, "Haines Brown" ha scritto: > Nevertheless, in spite of that when I reboot I'm taken to a graphical > log in screen and then to some kind of desktop environment. Xfce4 is not > installed. > > What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I > get rid

Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 07:04 PM, "aitor_czr" ha scritto: > > I don't know, i'm in devuan jessie :) Looks like you don't have the Debian Security repos enabled (deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-updates main #contrib non-free), which at the moment don't have a Devuan equivalent for all I know Yes, t

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 09:16 PM, "Haines Brown" ha scritto: > However, # which xfce4-power-manager tells me it is in /usr/bin. The next step would be ‘dpkg -S /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager’ to check if it belongs to some weird package... ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 09:48 PM, "Haines Brown" ha scritto: > # which xfce4-power-manager > /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager > > # dpkg -S /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager > dpkg-querry: no path found matching patter /usr/bin/xcfe4-power-manager So it's not in a package... Unless you installed over an existing r

[DNG] Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment

2015-08-13 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 13/ago/2015 10:21 PM, "Haines Brown" ha scritto: > I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install > testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to > jessie, and had the same problem, but after choosing not to install CUPS > (and no desktop manager), I

Re: [DNG] Correction: Re: systemd files found in fresh devuan alpha2 install.

2015-08-15 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 15/ago/2015 03:05 PM, "Hendrik Boom" ha scritto: > There are still a few systemd-related packages iinstalled: > > libpam-systemd > systemd > systemd-shim > libsystemd0 > Is this normal? Yes (for now), and you can easily remove all of them, except libsystemd0, with no issues If you use the ver

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 18/ago/2015 12:53 AM, "Gregory Nowak" ha scritto: > As I described in another thread earlier, I tried doing an aptitude > search sysv on a fresh install of debian jessie, and got back no > results. Either I was doing something wrong, or it sounds like > sysvinit-core is back in sid, which is go

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-18 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 08/ago/2015 04:12 PM, "Miles Fidelman" ha scritto: > I thought a primary motivation for Devuan was to NOT install systemd by default. It's a work in progress, and testing currently gets less effort than stable, but is actually more friendly to the anti-systemd cause for XFCE users (which is De

Re: [DNG] Problem with debhelper

2015-08-22 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 22/ago/2015 10:40 AM, "aitor_czr" ha scritto: > the resulting packages were all empty! This was due to the fact that the latest release is located in /usr/local, so i had to comment with some lines in the dh_usrlocal script Well, packages are not supposed to put anything in /usr/local (so it c

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

2015-08-24 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 24/ago/2015 09:50 AM, "iguleder" ha scritto: > > AFAIK pm-utils should be enough, but make sure you restart Xfce. > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:22:31 +0300 Edward Bartolo wrote >> >> If that is the case, how do I get the 'suspend' and 'hibernate' >> buttons? I have pm-utils installed an

Re: [DNG] libpam-systemd

2015-08-24 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Is libpam-systemd needed by devuan? Because that's the only package > I have installed that would be broken by removing systemd itself. > > Since it appears to have something do do with authentication, I'm > concerned that I may not be able t

Re: [DNG] shutdown is there for one user, not for another

2015-08-24 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I Have a lock screen/suspend/shutdown/logout menu on the right end of the top > icon panel. Only the 'switch user' item is greyed out. > > From my own account, which was copied from Debian Jessie, I have > only a logout icon. > > So it looks

Re: [DNG] replacing kernel 3.16.0-4

2015-08-26 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > So I'd like to use a different kernel, but there are no alternatives in > the devuan repository. How then should I install an alternative kernel? You can compile one yourself: → Install the build tools ("build-essential" + "libncurses5-dev")

Re: [DNG] (1) netman package? (2) reliablility of devuan testing?

2015-09-28 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 26/set/2015 20:54, "Hendrik Boom" ha scritto: > I looked for a netman package in aptitude; it doesn't seem to be around > in jessie yet. Should I look in ascii or ceres? Or aren't we at that > stage yet? Good question, but there are none right now AFAIK! > Is ascii generally as reliable as

Re: [DNG] Another "Debian" in the code

2015-10-04 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 04/ott/2015 02:28 PM, "Hendrik Boom" ha scritto: > > When running aptitude in interactive mode, I opened the "Security Updates" section and the "devel" section > and found the "main" section was describbed as "The main Debian archive". Well, to nitpick most packages are still unmodified Debia

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Obtaining a driver from Brother's support site as a .deb file, I tried to > install it with dpkg: > > root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik/Download/BrotherPrinterDriver# dpkg -i > hl3170cdwlpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb As the name says, that's an LPR drive

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed lpr, and it did take a lot of cups off. Do I really need cups? Nope, especially with a Brother that's very LPR-friendly! As you found out, cups-bsd is just a port of LPR programs to CUPS. > But I still don't know how to specify m

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?,Message-ID:

2015-10-05 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:34 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Updated *.deb packages of netman. A little nitpick: the Description: of those packages is formally incorrect -- it should be an one-line short description followed by a multiline one (indented with one space, and with a single dot for blank lines

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-06 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/10/2015 18:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > Yes, changing the MAC address of a real network interface can be done to fool > a DHCP server (I don't see any other reason), > but this is done in user space, after the kernel has registered it.

Re: [DNG] How do I get the user's home directory path?

2015-10-11 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:52:36 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I need to get the unprivileged user home directory path. Does anyone know of > a solution? Can you pass the user's name or UID to the backend in some way? If yes, this command could probably be adapted (credits: http://www.unix.com/unix

Re: [DNG] devuan Ceres on my old iMac became too painful

2015-10-19 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:26:07 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > [...] start with debian 6 squeeze because that is the latest version that > will boot from CD. > Do a minimal install without X11 because then you need to upgrade to debian 7 > wheezy, > and then do the same again to get to debian 8 jessie.

Re: [DNG] security in Devuan repos

2015-10-19 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:29:30 -0300 edinaldo wrote: > I come to ask how the issue of security is treated as not seen (or found) > something equivalent to repos: > "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" A clean install (of Devuan jessie) has that repo enabled. Howe

Re: [DNG] Cannot update Iceweasel as it depends on libdbus-1-3

2015-11-23 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On November 23, 2015 6:37:59 PM GMT+01:00, Eloy Espinaco wrote: > >How should I handle this? I can force the instalation and I think that it will >work anyway, but it is too manual. Is there anything I'm missing here? Devuan basically works on a blacklist system, where some packages don't com

Re: [DNG] Architecture question and other installation issues

2015-11-26 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > I installed devuan following dev1fanboy's guide and ended up with an amd64 > kernel and i386 package binaries. > > First of all, I'm curious if those choices are explicit in the installer. > (I thought had I asked for amd64.) Nope! The 64 bit i

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On November 27, 2015 1:44:00 PM GMT+01:00, "Rainer H. Rauschenberg" wrote: >Will this really work? AFAIR Raspbian was created because of the >specific >Arm-processor/Soc that Raspeberry Pi uses, which doesn't suit armhf as >well as armel, so many programms have to be recompiled. Yes, on a Pi