On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
> do we already have defined workflows for package submission ?
>
> I'm usually maintaining everything in git repos, where each distro
> has a separate branch, which directly adds ./debian/ directo
On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 08:56:39PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Poerhaps we should also have a ./devuan/ directory. We'd use the ./debian/
> directiry if the ./devuan/ directory were missing, but it just might make it
> easier to track changes in debian, and if debian were ever to
> cooperate, it
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 04:29:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Minimal set of packages ... Let me hope. Does that mean we'll be able
> to point sources.list to a new repository and gradually transition from
> Debian's
> Jessie to Devuan's?
Yes, absolutely. This is one of our primary goals for
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 07:06:19PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> > and for external hosted sources the devuan gitlab project
> > will have just the debian directory and a devuan specific script similar
> > to the "watch" script used in debian.
>
> I'd strongly suggest NOT doing
As many already known,
i will be unreliable next week, and this will cause a little bit
of slow down in the package repository population.
Sorry for that, but my primary job is calling me for a week long trip
i cannot postpone.
Anyway, i want to let you know the roadmap i have for the release of
> But still, I'm not convinced at all on tarballs. Instead I'd set up an
> automatic vcs mirror/import infrastructure. Already did that about
> a decade ago (called the OSS-QM project - maybe some old maillist
> archives still have some bits about it ;-)). It's not a big deal.
>
>
Well,
as i ca
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:05:04PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> I've been thinking around the upgrade paths we need to provide for Devuan 1
> "Jessie without systemd" (I'd still like ancient site names or computing
> people names, so for me it is Devuan اَلْحَمْرَاء (put it on sources.list as
> D
I repost it as i'm not sure it has delivered on the mailing list (
fucking k9-mail on android, i was answering from my mobile )
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 08:23:13AM +0100, Nextime wrote:
>
> I confirm the tweet, i have few issues on the arm build host and sadly i'm
> also sick for seasonal fever..
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote:
> ## Editorial
>
> It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of
> your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and
> @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns
> in dee
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 06:57:57PM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote:
> Is there a reason this git repo is not publicly viewable without a
> login?
The gitlab repositories are publicly viewable, it's just that the
standard interface of gitlab isn't exactly friendly or immediate in
that, and it's hard
Personally on debian i was using from date
APT:Install-Recommends "0";
APT:Install-Suggests "0";
in all my install apt.conf.
I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required
but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded
envs, but also on my desktop.
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:25:47AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know this has come up a few times in the past, but I would really like to
> see a dev specific list, with some strict "dev-only" rules. The
> Drama-to-Noise ratio is getting pretty high pretty frequently, and IRC just
> d
Just my 2 c.:
Having multiple mailing lists isn't to be seen as separate users from
developers. It has to be seen as separate topics.
In my view even more than 2 ml are ok, something like:
1- ml dev
1- ml general
1- ml announces
1- ml translations/localization
1- ml users
1- ml governance
1- ml
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and from
> the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people running the
> project.
dyne.org != devun
dyne.org != VUAs
dyne.org is helping VUAs and dev
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> You can now count me amongst those in the "fuck it, this is a waste of
> time" camp. Good luck with your forum, your "everyone use one list or GTFO"
> attitude, the constant off-list clique forming and gossipy emails about
> list me
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 01:44:00AM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> Thanks to all others who have compiled sytemd-free debs.
What about being devuan maintainers and contribute those packages to
devuan?
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 01:22:28PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>
> systemd-shim is for when you *don't* want systemd.
Yes, but cause of you have things that depend on components of systemd.
We don't want systemd nor anything depending on components from systemd,
so, we don't want the shim to
It has to be sayd also that who will continue to have "testing" in the
sources file will automagically use devuan "ascii", that initially is
identical to jessie, but will track down debian testing and not jessie
as package versions.
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 05:16:42PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> acpid and acpi-support-base have already been removed from tasksel.
We already forked tasksel, so, it should not be an issue for us as long
as those two packages are maintained, or we will need to fork both acpid
and acpi-support-
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 04:50:34PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote:
>
> You're welcome. :)
>
> I think we just have to wait for the Devuan tech staff to
> update the release files in their repositories. So, from our
> user perspective, the problem will simply go away eventually.
> The same actually happe
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:04:27PM +0200, Ingo Schmitt wrote:
> new to linux, why should he start with an deprecated init system?
Cause, for example, it isn't deprecated?
Cause, for example, it's better to use old stable software that is far
to be deprecated instead of a new non-well-tested one?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 04:18:00PM +, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
> I am using the Devuan patched debootstrap in Debian Testing.
> debootstrap failed with the following message:
patched in debian testing would say the devuan debootstrao or the debian
one + patch?
dpkg -l | grep debootstrap plea
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 01:44:47AM +0100, David Hare wrote:
>
> debootstrap --exclude systemd,systemd-sysv,libsystemd0 jessie .
>
> without specifying a URL is working here (are the excludes needed?)
>
> However after I chroot it and apt update:
>
> W: GPG error: http://packages.devuan.org jess
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Probably a temporary issue with one of the repos we merge,
i'm checking it right now and rebuilding it to make sure it works.
Please if you have any issue with the merged repo, send an email also to
next...@devuan.org so i can wake up faster than this time.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 02:47:54PM +020
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 08:44:43PM +0200, Anto wrote:
> What is the relationship between the packages in the merged repository and
> sources on gitlab? Are you only taking the sources on gitlab under
> "pkgs-base" group? If so, is there any clear process to include the sources
> on other groups int
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:51:23PM -0500, APT Gatuno MX wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm new to Devuan. I love Debian, but I hate systemd. Before the init jessie
> controversy, I was so obsessed with Debian's Build System. So I installed my
> own Debian Wanna Build System.
>
> Yes, it was quite difficult, bu
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 02:02:57PM -0500, APT Gatuno MX wrote:
>
> Well then, what about the packages page? It doesn't need the wanna-build
> system, just a repo to pull packages.
The packages page is a well welcomed contribution!
What do you need to setting up it for devuan?
--
le-backports
jessie-security|stable-security
ascii|testing
ascii-updates|testing-updates
ascii-proposed-updates|testing-proposed-updates
ascii-security|testing-security
ceres|unstable
ceres-proposed-updates|unstable-proposed-updates|incoming
experimental
Let me know if you will setup a machine or you
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in our
> installers by default.
>
> It's a deviation from Debians traditional position, but a pragmatic one that
> shows we care about the end users.
I think we can draw a line in this discussion this way:
Daniel will implement the installer in the way he was saying,
adding non-free firmwares limited to the ones that if missed are
blocking for the installer ( so, nothing more than few firmwares for
things like network cards or wifi, for examp
>
> I upgraded and let bash-completion go, lost completion on package names,
> and then I installed 1:2.1-4.1 from ascii on Irrwahn's recommendation, and
> it seems to be working fine.
>
> fsr
Actually the issue is fixed as i have upgraded the bash-completion
package in jessie.
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 06:49:55AM -0700, Go Linux wrote:
> I have been wondering about this. There have been posts over at FDN putting
> down Devuan because there were still systemd packages installed. So is
> Devuan free of systemd libs or not? IIRC the Valentine's release had some
> system
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 07:37:21PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> Please don't do this.
> The more you bend to the systemd interfaces, the more it gets a foot
> in the door. By implementing a dummy sd_notify, you acknowledge the
> validity of the interface; you accept that the systemd people have
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 03:02:21PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I thought this was an intermittent problem, but repeated trials have
> convinced me otherwise.
>
> Jenkins appears to be failing to set up its build directories for i386 and
> amd64 when I queue the dbus packages
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 03:02:21PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> For future reference, I'm not sure where to report errors like on GitLab.
> Is there a preferred issue tracker for Jenkins-related bugs?
Report it on the devuan-infrastructure project
> Thanks,
> Jude
> ___
Anyway, it was a logrotate not running cleanly and a /var/log fill-up
the root fs. Now it's fixed
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:04:33PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> Maybe a compromise solution is to do this for all init systems but sysvinit,
> for Jessie, and work on the fully "hairy" dependency chain for Jessie+1
> a.k.a Ascii.
>
Devuan jessie will not see anything like that. For jessie we need
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 11:35:07AM +, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote:
> And, of course, servers will be updated in few years, and it becames
> impossible to avoid using poettering things in everyday work. I can
> avoid it on my own workstations and servers, but I will be forced to use
> binary logging
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 08:40:13PM +0300, Mitt wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus
> procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3 which
> does not depend on it.
>
> Mitt
> ___
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 03:58:05PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> I recently noticed that the module for plip remains in the kernel, about
> twenty years after it was last useful to anyone. Good riddance to that, I
Hey!
I used the plip module no more than few months ago last time.
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On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 10:49:20AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> because he did not put the
> http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/Release Codename: jessie?
>
> That would solve the problem
No, this cannot solve anything, as the "devuan" archive has only few
packages, the ones
Hello all.
I think is time to draw a line and list what we have
and what we miss to release a beta for jessie
I ask all active developers/contributors to fix any
error in my list and to comment if anything isn't as
i write.
first a couple of things about jessie in devuan:
- default DE will b
r release candidate
and proceed with a beta before, except maybe for a better bug tracking
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:41:04PM +0300, Dima Krasner wrote:
>
> We need to re-import xfce4-power-manager (as we did with xfce4-session) - it
> recommends libpam-systemd, which pulls in systemd in the default installation.
>
Dima,
if the issue with xfce4-power-manager ( or other package ) is
More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
nano -> vim
exim -> postfix
what do you guys think about that?
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:55:59AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> > May I suggest that at this point, changes of this significance should be
> > planned for the next cycle rather than thrown in at the last moment?
Well, we are not exactly "at the last moment" as my proposition is that
such changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> Which is Devuan intended to be?
>
> 1) Debian without systemd
> 2) A Debian-like distro
>
Nor 1 or 2.
Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
1- freedom of choice
2- UNIX philosophy
3- KISS philosophy
Of course first of all t
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:13:00AM -0400, richard white wrote:
> Subject: [DNG] Devuan road map
>
> Does Devuan have a place where a road map is tracked/shown?
>
> It would be nice to have a central place to plan releases and features.
>
> -Rich
Not yet enough documented, but the place you are
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:44:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
> > 1- freedom of choice
> > 2- UNIX philosophy
> > 3- KISS philosophy
> >
> > Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable.
>
> I'd say the second and third points a
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 05:29:22PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my
> posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here.
>
> And another plea, please don't post TOFU[0].
>
> Regards
>Klaus
>
Well
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> In that case, my next question would be "Do we want to cater to those who
> are new to Linux/Unix?" If yes, then nano is a good choice. If no, then
> vi is a good choice.
Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new u
Previously i was proposing a change of the default editor and the
default MTA.
Well, my proposition get a lot of traction in the list, and i'm really
happy of that, it would mean that you care about devuan, and this IS a
great thing.
As for what i can undertand, there is no full consensus about w
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:13:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to clear
> up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the
> Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan
On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:30:27PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our
> server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be
> avoided.
Technically this is what happened:
- we update amprolla at fixed interval ( 30 mins )
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 04:34:00PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote:
> I sent an e-mail about a week ago to the list. I'm willing to mirror
> Devuan, I just do not have the information I need to do it.
>
> If anyone wants another mirror. It would be in Dallas, US. I just need
> to know how much space and
Hi all,
after the last days issues with devuan repositories,
i have deeply investigated what broke our amprolla merged repo.
First issue: debian mirror auto geolocation
Until some days ago we were using http://http.debian.net as auto
geolocation redirect for debian mirrors to be merged. Sadly th
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 11:17:53AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
>
> Are there alternatives for preventing packages to be installed?
>
> We need to decide if to incorporate this change also into Devuan.
This is not an issue for devuan at all.
Devuan doesn't rely on apt pinning anymore, we now have our
I think we should release a communicate about Ian
to celebrate him and mourn he's death.
R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too.
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Amprolla has just been updated to manage SHA256 signatures.
From the next update of the repo contents, all repos will be signed
with SHA256 cipher, so, the issue is closed.
On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 09:01:38PM +0200, Fred DC wrote:
>
> On 06/04/2016 20:36, Rob wrote:
> >
> > Debian intend to
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:00:02AM +, asbesto wrote:
-- SNIP --
>
> so... you need to upgrade your libc or patch it.
Devuan jessie is updated as debian jessie, so, upgrade libc version
isn't something we can consider right now.
Of course you can use devuan ascii ( same upgrade level as debi
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 05:22:57PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> I, personally, prefer mailing lists.
I, personally, prefer a mix of IRC, ml, wiki, any tool for the right
thing :)
Actually i'm working more than anything else in trying to write down on
the devuan-project reposi
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 02:23:41AM +, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> The question is: is it worth to continue the Devuan Weekly News effort
> when "the people leading the project" issue a different news page without
> coordinating with DWN?
>
> Instead of digesting for you the week on the mai
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 09:56:38AM +0100, envite wrote:
>
> I've been thinking on how to sign Devuan Packages, and we need a Repository
> Key and a hard set of trusted keys.
>
> But we do not have, yet, money for a Devuan-conf to meet each other and sign
> keys.
>
> We should, at least, start
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 03:52:39PM +, David Robinson wrote:
> Seriously?
>
> I support the removal of systemd (after wasting hours of my time on both it
> and pulseaudio), but emailing me my password in plain text is a seriously
> bad move. I think this will hurt the project.
>
> Please stop
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