Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
b06b6ffdd138ea0 Homepage: http://www.pulseaudio.org Section: sound Priority: optional Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-module-udev_9.0-1_amd64.deb Size: 36848 MD5sum: f670dad24330545e9c26b140b05135bf SHA256: 1bf91d8b27ef9f9fcb67193b9de40958e70214a2dbc5c25e8f719a10de4370b2 arnt@celsiu

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
t;name and shame" is appropriate with this level of > depravity. If we can't trust them, word should get out the their > opinions are bought. > > That is my free opinion ;) ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/ style w

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
27;m going to go to the lake nearest Lennart's house, and dump a ton of > mercury into it. When he complains, I'll say "it's free, so don't > complain". ..sadly, that would make you a criminal. I'd rather see you pipe water into his home from Flint, Mi

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
nd alien conversion, at least as a backup plan B to the potential Debian trap? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-07-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
le to mount and start etc _whatever_ we want, in VMs, and also keep an open eye on what the fine systemd folks e.g. debian.org are scheming these days. ..nowadays I see Devuan falling apart exactly because Debian is falling apart, for details, run: ' how-can-i-help '. -- ..med vennlig

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n). > > Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'. ...which most Norwegians pronounce "leetn datamashin." ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always c

[DNG] ..rubber duck party convention, was: Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
stand > any concepts that are beyond his mental age. ..are we now arriving at the explanation of how the GOP in deep, deep, deep denial on ballot machine fraud, is selecting their Donald Trump? ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters

Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
repo temporarily to your sources.list to > get around the issue. > > Regards, > Daniel. ..as these conventions come and go these days, can you imagine Hillary giving the Donald, or Putin etc similar access to her email servers? ;oD Even temporarily? ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen =

Re: [DNG] [Grml] Is grml still alive

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
> I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there > will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd > free. ..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568 Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web ..systemd,

Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:15:27 +0100, Rowland wrote in message <578f5d4f.2020...@gmail.com>: > On 20/07/16 12:11, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:48:20 +1200, Daniel wrote in message > > <578f56f4.6060...@centurion.net.nz>: > > > >> Hi Ro

Re: [DNG] [Grml] Is grml still alive

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message <20160720120914.gc25...@smithers.snow-crash.org>: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message > > <33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a

Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:23:02 +0100, Rowland wrote in message <578f7b36.8030...@gmail.com>: > On 20/07/16 14:10, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:15:27 +0100, Rowland wrote in message > > <578f5d4f.2020...@gmail.com>: > > > >> On 20/07/16 1

Re: [DNG] [Grml] Is grml still alive

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:18:53 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20160720151853.6a52c...@nb6.lan>: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > <20160720120914.gc25...@smithers.snow-crash.org>: > > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >

Re: [DNG] with or without libsystemd0

2016-07-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ck those up on our own spine and gut feelings and whatever bits we do learn. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. __

Re: [DNG] Mirroring Devuan

2016-07-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ite a show stopper there for > example). > > Though reprepro could gain some incomplete support for it. (I guess > there is some chance reprepro should already support retrieving > packages from other repositories in this format. Adding such packages > locally is likely not y

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ded in my fingers by almost 40 years of > > programming and I find it definitely more convenient for that task. > > Would it help if I apologise pour l'impérialisme américain? ;-> > > (Je crains que nous ne parlons pas de Devuan. Nous devrions parler > des questio

Re: [DNG] Mirroring Devuan

2016-07-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:42:53 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message <5791ce7d.5000...@gnuinos.org>: > > Hi Arnt, > > On 07/21/2016 01:51 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:35:18 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message > > <5790a566.5080...@gnuinos.org

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:45:43 +0200, Didier wrote in message <57932eb7.6080...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 22/07/2016 23:33, Rick Moen a écrit : > > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > >> ..bytt ut "inn" med "på", rett oversatt skal dette være: &

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

2016-07-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
yes > updated: So 24 Jul 2016 08:45:36 CEST (1843 seconds > ago) has history: no > has statistics: no > line-power > online: yes > > Daemon: > daemon-version: 0.9.23 ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version: 0.99.4, a

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

2016-07-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:39:58 +0200, Klaus wrote in message <5fcaf78f-839d-05dc-04ab-750e0d35b...@arcor.de>: > Arnt Karlsen schrieb am 25.07.2016 um 00:18: > > ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version: 0.99.4, and it's been stuck > > there for a few months, do I

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

2016-07-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:05:35 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20160725210535.gc15...@angband.pl>: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 07:39:58AM +0200, Klaus Fuerstberger wrote: > > Arnt Karlsen schrieb am 25.07.2016 um 00:18: > > > ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version:

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
n we use it (at least the name) to help people ditch systemd etc off their boxes? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, a

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
I also would expect none, simply on grounds of the known > facts of what's in the damned thing. > > Now, you guys presumably all have Linux systems. Why pose the > question? Why not just check, if you want to know? ..re-running your tests now, do you still get the same results no

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:23:46 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20160727232346.gh10...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..re-running your tests now, do you still get the same results > > now, as back then when you first checked? > &

Re: [DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

2016-07-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
; > == > hk > > [0]: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/issues/13 > ..I don't see "DEVUAN GNU/Linux forked from Debian SystemD/Linux", preferably on 2 lines. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear

Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD

2016-07-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
D people? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
o.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunnlovsendringer ..such glacially speedy change require and promotes wise changes, and allows democracy getting started quickly with imperfect constitutions like the anti-semitic one we had from 1814 to 1851. ..optional factcheck googlator: ht

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-31 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:31:00 +, hellekin wrote in message <869e8fb2-2f17-2331-a443-9e2f4658c...@dyne.org>: > On 07/30/2016 07:37 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..2 wise things we can use: the Full 4 Geneva Conventions offer the > > legal text of the 4 Conv

Re: [DNG] Building w/ gtk2 vs gtk3

2016-07-31 Thread Arnt Karlsen
. lirc support) ? > > Typically the answer is "include everything unless it'd pull _really_ > fat dependencies, and even then the optional stuff should still be > packaged", but it depends on whom you package it for. Best to use > your best j

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

2016-08-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
on systemd, without that dependency instead." ..can we use it (at least the name) to help people ditch, er, upgrade systemd-shim away from their boxes? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
pleted a couple of key items we need to get on the > road to a final release for Devuan, I'll look at the state of various > packaging attempts for vdev and work towards an official devuan > package. > > D > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...w

Re: [DNG] libvirt - can't create snapshot

2016-08-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ame > >>> snapshot1 --description "clear system" > >>> error: failed to get domain 'devuan_jessie' > >>> error: An error occurred, but the cause is unknown". > >>> > >>> 2) "virsh list --all" > >>

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-08-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
the secure privacy distro to use, yet they have moved into systemd > without posing even a question about it. ..not to mention qubes-os... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in se

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-08-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:44:01 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160712114401.GA27051@reflex>: > On Fri, 08 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/ > > style website. > > Groklaw was great not because of the

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-08-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:05:51 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160712110551.gt18...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:49:13PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..nowadays I see Devuan falling apart exactly because Debian > >

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-08-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
> > but yes, its definitely not polite nor useful to obfuscate code that > people uses. to the contrary, I think literate programming is the way ..the only useful part of playing around with obfuscated code, is learning to recognise attacks etc from the systemd boys. -- ..med vennlig h

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

2016-08-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
keys are a terrible idea Updated: Redmond races to revoke Secure Boot policy http://go.reg.cx/tdml/c9288/57d49e7f/ffe47801/2n9H -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

2016-08-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
* Linux security backfires: Flaw lets hackers inject malware into downloads, disrupt Tor users, etc Analysis: TCP networking code scores own goal http://go.reg.cx/tdml/c9288/57d49e7f/ffe47801/2nac -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...w

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ges for vdev. I will test > eudev as well asap. ..eudev etc package link? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
istakes. ..one neat thing about grub, is its shell, once you get the menu, hit "e" and then the tab key twice, and play around to familiarize yourselves with how it works, e.g how it finds disks, files, and how you can boot into root's shell with e.g. "init=/bin/bash". -- .

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ded automatically. ...until a newer version can be aptitude etc upgrade'd in place... :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:57:40 +0200, richard wrote in message <20160815125740.7d4b10cadae0ff71d3c9c...@lucassen.org>: > On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:13:24 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > So I prefer *for the moment* > > > > > > wget .deb > > &

Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?

2016-09-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
rson here in Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___

[DNG] ..yes, bad-news-in-tor, was: tor and systemd?

2016-09-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
d 159247 (delta 126417) Receiving objects: 100% (165301/165301), 37.33 MiB | 513.00 KiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (131244/131244), done. Checking connectivity... done. arnt@celsius:~$ grep -r 'systemd' tor ... arnt@celsius:~$ grep -C2 -r 'systemd' tor >bad-news-in-to

Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?

2016-09-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
pull in libsystemd0 > > > > How official? upstream's? or Debian's? > > The ones from tor: > > deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main ..are you able to build working .deb without libsystemd0 or any other SystemD code? -- ..med vennlig hilsen =

Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?

2016-09-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:22:09 -1000, Joel wrote in message <20160901182209.GA10579@sprite>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana > > republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a > > non-systemd fo

Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?

2016-09-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:12:49 +0800, Brad wrote in message : > On 02/09/16 00:20, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..we honk that nice big red "No-Shit???" horn now? ;o) > > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor > > > > ..to the Tor people:

Re: [DNG] Kernel error requesting UEFI upgrade.

2016-09-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ch transcoder A [7.759851] > [drm:cpt_serr_int_handler] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun > >> > > Thanks. > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of thre

Re: [DNG] Workrave is not installable in ceres

2016-10-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
a long list > of packages. > 5) Rebooted again to test the newly upgraded system. > > Edward > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, wor

Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

2016-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
se fails, try https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ on a 3.5", 5.25" etc diskette or on the boot drive and follow the recipe in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManager ..might even boot 8086 boxes, but I doubt it works on EFI boxes. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Rega

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
-discuss to get help, get > feedback and gauge Devuan project activity. The website does tell > another story. If people gauge Devuan project activity and community > based on their interaction with devuan-discuss, they will probably be > disappointed. I think it is harmful when it co

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..to try scare our banks away from using systemd? (Since we depend on stupid luck anyway...) ..is systemd used in ballot machines? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: be

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ets to pick from the list, and NetGod gets a commmand line to > set up the name server system the way they want it. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three:

Re: [DNG] ConsoleKit2

2017-01-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
interested? > > David -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Browsers

2017-02-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
> Steve Litt > February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, wor

Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-02-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
systemd hosts like https://qubes-os.org/ ;o) ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to https://qubes-os.org/ ? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: bes

Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:35:13 -0800, Rick wrote in message <20170301073513.gb30...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > ..now, can we build on heads to get a safe alternative to > > https://qubes-os.org/ ? > > Pretty please? > >

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
sue is not about choosing systemd or not, rather on > getting all the potterware or nothing. > > :( ..cheer up, we can still use FF as "The NO!!!-Sound Browser" ;o) and explain the why-nots and whys and how-to-be-stupid and pass the whiners on to the Debian etc poetterware di

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
mmon sense, on its head. > Presumably these have been summed up somewhere on the web. > > -- hendrik -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case,

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

2017-03-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
d > dependency off. > > I'm not sure what would be the proper forum for this. ..tip them off, off-list. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scena

Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser

2017-03-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
eed to work hard to kill off dpkg and apt, if we keep our own git record of these handy. Do we? > So whether you're the kind of person who likes making your own > packages, or the kind who just wants to get down to business, these > three Suckless tools are just what the doctor ordere

Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

2017-03-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

[DNG] ..http://amprolla.devuan.org/ is down, https://devuan.org/ remains up.

2017-03-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..http://amprolla.devuan.org/ is down, https://devuan.org/ remains up. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case

Re: [DNG] ..http://amprolla.devuan.org/ is down, https://devuan.org/ remains up.

2017-03-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:12:10 -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message <9d409cb83199281c9e0a0b1c589e0...@dyne.org>: > On 2017-03-25 10:17, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > ..http://amprolla.devuan.org/ is down, https://devuan.org/ remains > > up. > > I

Re: [DNG] Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/jessie

2017-03-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Xa3hm4w29bETi1U0u1zlbHCc3TVWyDI9MRcnUqGX0lX+ILAHRZBTOP9dZh > ebGM464LGugKKk3rFcjSCn4Q6sxiz5WJ/UPXI49O/zRBwCWbgYMXEhtb6ifBDnLn > eQtI9tA0TOlzpXK7qZOk > =pjxG > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > _______ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > htt

Re: [DNG] No action on lid close with xfce4-power-manager

2017-04-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
93632293605376 ..me, I'd like to see a systemd-free qubes-os style host OS. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.

Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

2017-04-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
per.html", they have similar pages going into more into a bunch of their details and less into our bug control management details. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three:

Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

2017-04-03 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:43:01 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170403154301.gy7...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:24:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > Please use both tools as much as possible and repo

Re: [DNG] problem at talk.devuan.org?

2017-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
he https mess above. > > > --- > [1] > which is not necessarily the case for e.g. dev1galaxy.org, they allow > HTTP, so if your browser, e.g. Pale Moon --poor or no support from > HTTPS Everywhere-- does not seek HTTPS automatically, dev1galaxy.org > will even log

[DNG] ..would this Xen bug on paravirtualisation, be preventable in a non-systemd qubes-os?

2017-04-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..bug details: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/05/patch_qubes_to_prevent_pwnage_via_xen_bug/ https://www.qubes-os.org/ https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2017/03/21/xsa-tracker/ https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2017/04/04/qsb-29/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

2017-04-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
uot;, maybe advice on the wisdom of putting /home, /usr/local etc on their own file systems, rather than "everything on /." -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

2017-04-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:49:53 -0400, Renaud wrote in message <20170413094953.0b06f...@ron.cerrocora.org>: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:04:57 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to > > > > be that

[DNG] ..timelessness and pricelessness, was: tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ew that cannot fail", such as airport security, airliner safety, anti-missile defense, ballot machines, etc... ..if you wanna push some new kinda bling, you must be able to credibly answer such timeless and priceless questions... ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karl

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
dev. On the other hand, you will > need to set your keyboard configuration at every reboot (minor issue) > depending on your keymap. Beyond that,vdev works fine for me. > > Cheers, > >Aitor. > > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Ki

[DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
0% valid for DebianDog. You have access to all debian repositories using apt-get or synaptic.", creating "Devuan-0.x Wheezy Live-CD" etc is trivial, toss their repos for ours, update, upgrade and remaster, the 64-bit version likely needs to be built off deb-src lines. ..but first com

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message : > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 19/04/17 23:17: > [cut] > > > > ...wiped udev off my box and wound up with a box that boots oh soo > > fine until it tries to load my new vdev > > initrd.img-4.9.0-2-rt

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > : > > > > > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 19/04/17 23:17: > > [cut] > > > > > > ..

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
1 luther luther 42537 Apr 22 03:50 devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_i386_DVD.list.gz -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst

Re: [DNG] My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute

2017-04-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
them an easy systemd-based grub invaders game variant running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 or fetch and run http://www.nyan.cat/ ... ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always com

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > : > > > > > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 19/04/17 23:17: > > [cut] > > > > > > ..

[DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:47:59 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170419214759.gc14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:37:32PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..what nasty command line tric

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message : > On 04/23/2017 07:13 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > > > >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:49:06 +1000, Ralph wrote in message : > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 24/04/17 09:13: > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > > > >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message <1b574913-ccd5-2395-1c8d-2647d7e40...@gmail.com>: > On 04/24/2017 07:21 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > > : > > > > >>> >

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:25:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170424122509.gt14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 03:05:42AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:47:59 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > <20170419214759.gc14

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:21:53 +0200, parazyd wrote in message <20170424152153.GA12944@fq>: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:25:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > <20170424122509.gt14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > >

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 16:24:19 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170424152419.gu14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:35PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..we don't warn them before we drop them online on wired networks

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:54:58 +0200, Tomasz wrote in message <20170424175458.ga97...@mother.pipebreaker.pl>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:13:31PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > Snowden is far from clueless. He might be a shill, but he's far > >

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:16:03 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message : > On 04/24/2017 10:39 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > > <1b574913-ccd5-2395-1c8d-2647d7e40...@gmail.com>: > > > >> On 04/24/2017 07

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:06:25 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message <7e20d658-93f5-dd10-995b-0d14eb764...@gmail.com>: > On 04/24/2017 03:59 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:16:03 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > > : > > > >> On 04/24/2017 10

[DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:49:06 +1000, Ralph wrote in message : > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 24/04/17 09:13: > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > > > >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017

Re: [DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 12:08:48 +1000, Ralph wrote in message <2fab2208-e0dc-27f5-dd3d-f9d7156bb...@gmail.com>: > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 26/04/17 11:18: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:49:06 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > > : > > > >> > >> Arnt Ka

Re: [DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:52:58 +1000, Ralph wrote in message : > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 26/04/17 17:26: > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 12:08:48 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > > <2fab2208-e0dc-27f5-dd3d-f9d7156bb...@gmail.com>: > > > >> > >> &g

Re: [DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 23:06:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message <039e14e4-8f63-878a-5878-0e01bcb57...@gmail.com>: > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 26/04/17 22:01: > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:52:58 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > > : > > > >> > >> >

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

2017-04-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
t;just fallback", it's good enough as The Standard for production systems, has anyone seen it fail? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case

Re: [DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:51:15 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170426175115.3d487...@nb6.lan>: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 23:06:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message > <039e14e4-8f63-878a-5878-0e01bcb57...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 26/04/17 22

Re: [DNG] ..vdev input in X, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:52:12 +1000, Ralph wrote in message <1eb9600a-0097-6851-638a-8b347ab10...@gmail.com>: > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 28/04/17 04:02: > > [cut] > > > > ..this is getting hilarious, I now have the mousepad working in > > X, but no

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
ex.php/Main_Page found from googling "gtk3 without systemd", looks like google search AI is getting clever enough to put 2 relevant hits in the to 10... https://www.google.com/search?q=gtk3+without+systemd -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
yne.org > > # Init Freedom > > Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able to choose > whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or without systemd. > > Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, but also its > gov

Re: [DNG] sane-utils depends on libsystemd0

2017-05-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
he computer for which there always has to be a > daemon running? > > -- hendrik ..maybe if you bought a toll bridge from some Nigerian prince and try feed license plate numbers off surveillance cameras to the cops for laughing at you... ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards

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