Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread Syeed Ali
On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:29:32 + Peter Duffy wrote: > It was suggested that in the future, it may not be possible to find > staff who have the skills to administer and manage servers running > non-systemd or pre-systemd distros/releases. This is a useful thought experiment. It does come from

[DNG] Simple-netaid 1-0 released

2021-11-20 Thread aitor
Hi all, I've just uploaded the packages of simple-netaid (libnetaid + snetaid + simple-netaid-cdk) to the repository of gnuinos chimaera. If you want to install them in devuan, first you'll need to install the gnupg key of gnuinos: http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/g/gnuinos-keyrin

Re: [DNG] Simple-netaid 1-0 released

2021-11-20 Thread tito via Dng
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:47:24 +0100 aitor wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just uploaded the packages of simple-netaid (libnetaid + snetaid + > simple-netaid-cdk) to the repository > of gnuinos chimaera. If you want to install them in devuan, first you'll need > to install the gnupg key of gnuinos: >

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread steph.tougard via Dng
The question is so stupid that it does not even call for an answer. If an admin is unable to understand a Unix system without SystemD, he's not a sys admin. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, November 20th, 2021 at 12:44, Syeed Ali wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:29:32 + > > P

Re: [DNG] Simple-netaid 1-0 released

2021-11-20 Thread aitor
Hi Tito, Top posting from my mobile... You need to add the following stanzas to /etc/network/interface (this is valid for dynamic ip addresses): allow-hotplug iface inet dhcp Ralph Ronnquist wrote some tips about how to configure ifupdown in dev1galaxy, i think. You can also search the w

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread Steve Litt
steph.tougard via Dng said on Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:06:53 + >The question is so stupid that it does not even call for an answer. Ad-homonym logical fallacy. > >If an admin is unable to understand a Unix system without SystemD, >he's not a sys admin. No True Scotsman logical fallacy. The OP h

Re: [DNG] Simple-netaid 1-0 released

2021-11-20 Thread Steve Litt
aitor said on Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:47:24 +0100 >but keep in mind that first you'll need to stop the previous instance >via "service snetaid stop" because libnetaid doesn't admit multiple >instances of snetaid so far. Why would anyone want multiple instances of snetaid? SteveT Steve Litt Spri

Re: [DNG] Simple-netaid 1-0 released

2021-11-20 Thread aitor
En 20 de noviembre de 2021 22:01:18 Steve Litt escribió: aitor said on Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:47:24 +0100 but keep in mind that first you'll need to stop the previous instance via "service snetaid stop" because libnetaid doesn't admit multiple instances of snetaid so far. Why would anyone

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread Bob Proulx via Dng
Peter Duffy wrote: > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a > concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the > future, it may not be possible to find staff who have the s

Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency

2021-11-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hello, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: Hi, sorry, message was sent without content.. I wonder, something went wrong with Thunderbird which sent out an email when I put the laptop to sleep. What I wanted to write is this. I use xfce since ascii and chimaera: I think it has a consistent lo

Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency

2021-11-20 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:39:06 +0100 Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hello, > > > Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > > Hi, > > > > sorry, message was sent without content.. I wonder, something went > wrong with Thunderbird which sent out an email when I put the laptop > to sleep. > > What I

Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency

2021-11-20 Thread golinux
On 2021-11-20 16:17, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 22:39:06 +0100 Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: Hello, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hi, > sorry, message was sent without content.. I wonder, something went wrong with Thunderbird which sent out an email when I put

[DNG] Obsoleting questions (was: system administration of non-systemd distros and releases)

2021-11-20 Thread Syeed Ali
People ask stupid questions, and answering them is a tightrope to walk on, lest they feel (perhaps rightfully) stupid. That happening will make some people hesitant about a relationship. Worse yet, a particularly smart questioner might intentionally pose questions to trap the messenger by drawing

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread steph.tougard via Dng
The right answer is to do whatever the customer asks, as stupid as it seems. If the customer was intelligent, he would not even ask a GNU/Linux system in the first place, it's bloated by nature, kitrooted by default and uselessly complicated (SystemD is just one more argument against Linux, not

Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency

2021-11-20 Thread Ludovic Bellière via Dng
Hello Riccardo, XFCE is upgrading to GTK3. The inconsistent look of the windows you've seen might be due to old style windows being used alongside newer style. XFCE isn't a big monolithical application, instead a compilation of several softwares that creates your desktop environment. Not all the

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-20 Thread tito via Dng
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:19:36 + "steph.tougard via Dng" wrote: > The right answer is to do whatever the customer asks, as stupid as it seems. > > If the customer was intelligent, he would not even ask a GNU/Linux system in > the first place, it's bloated by nature, kitrooted by default and u