Re: [DNG] Error updating local repository

2021-11-19 Thread onefang
On 2021-11-18 15:15:01, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: >Today it has begun error while trying to update a local daedalus >repository. >Until this morning everything worked well >  >xz: (stdin): File format not recognized >Failed: xz -d <.temp/dists/daedalus/main/binary-all/Pa

[DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Peter Duffy
I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the future, it may not be possible to find staff who have the skills to administer and man

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/11/2021 à 12:29, Peter Duffy a écrit : > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a > concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the > future, it may not be possible to

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 19 November 2021 at 12:06:48, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 19/11/2021 à 12:29, Peter Duffy a écrit : > > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of > > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a > > concern raised which took me by surpri

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 19 November 2021 at 12:14:31, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 19 November 2021 at 12:06:48, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 19/11/2021 à 12:29, Peter Duffy a écrit : > > > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of > > > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Rich W via Dng
Sadly, this will probably never change. They used the same argument to choose Windows adimins over Linux ones in the past. -Rich (Apologies if gmail client messed up this thread) On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 7:14 AM Antony Stone < antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > On Friday 19 November 202

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Nov 07:33:09 -0500 Rich W via Dng scripsit: > Sadly, this will probably never change. > > They used the same argument to choose Windows adimins over Linux ones in > the past. Which basicly translates to "I want to pay less". Nik > > -Rich > (Apologies if gmail client

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread al3xu5 via Dng
Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:45:48 +0100 - "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng" : > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Nov 07:33:09 -0500 > Rich W via Dng scripsit: > > Sadly, this will probably never change. > > > > They used the same argument to choose Windows adimins over Linux ones > > in the past. > > Which basicl

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Nov 13:56:17 +0100 al3xu5 via Dng scripsit: > Fri, 19 Nov 2021 13:45:48 +0100 - "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng" > : > > > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Nov 07:33:09 -0500 > > Rich W via Dng scripsit: > > > Sadly, this will probably never change. > > > > > > They used the same a

Re: [DNG] Error updating local repository

2021-11-19 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
- Original Message - From: "onefang" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] Error updating local repository On 2021-11-18 15:15:01, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: Today it has begun error while trying to update a local daedalus repository. Until thi

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread hal
On 11/19/21 05:29, Peter Duffy wrote: I'd be grateful for thoughts and comments. Welp, I've been a nix admin long enough that I still have some Redhat 5.1 CDs around here somewhere.. back from when Redhat wasn't such a corporate pr#ck. I see Devuan in the exact same place Linux was all t

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Adrian Zaugg
Hi Peter Under normal circumstances an admin does not have to get in touch with the init system or start-up mechanisms too much: If the job by the package maintainer is done, it works as intended. In case of non-packaged software, when a startup-script is missing, it might be a little bit easie

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 19 Nov 2021, at 22:29, Peter Duffy wrote: > > I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of > linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a > concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the > future, it may not be pos

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread golinux
On 2021-11-19 16:03, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: I’m waiting to see what comes out of the systemd replacement software in development by Laurent Bercot, the developer of s6. The project now has a corporate sponsor so it would appear someone sees a commercial benefit of his proposed design. I

Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-19 Thread Steve Litt
Peter Duffy said on Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:29:32 + >I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of >linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a >concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the >future, it may not be possibl