On 15/03/18 06:44, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting terryc (ter...@woa.com.au):
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:25:44 -0400
Menelaos Maglis wrote:
I use hplip and yes dbus is installed.
I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of
things dependent on dbus - well, unless somebody knows
Le 15/03/2018 à 07:22, Steve Litt a écrit :
There are alternatives to communicating through dbus. If two
processes are necessary, a socket or a pipe can do it. If more
structured communication is necessary and you don't need two
processes (why would you in this case), other famous applicati
Quoting Dave Turner (dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk):
> I know of many printers that don't play nicely with linux, I bought
> an HP because they do work.
If 'work' means with dependency on the mostly-proprietary HPLIP printing
software, then I would suggest this is a problem.
> For fut
Am 15. März 2018 04:24:24 MEZ schrieb terryc :
> Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan?
Yes, I am seeding the full official torrent since it has been published. Not
checking too often, but also the last time I did (with ascii beta already
released), there have been a few "leechers".
Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner
:
> which network printers should we buy?
Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when it supports
a PostScript version >1?
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 09:08:14AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner
> :
>
> > which network printers should we buy?
>
> Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when it
> supports a PostScript version >1?
>
Well, in theory
taii...@gmx.com"
> Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without
> hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to
> work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings
> etc) are there any good guides for this?
You use setpaged
Dave Turner writes:
which network printers should we buy?
Look for something with wired ethernet, postscript and IPP, not under €300,
not under 20kg for a BW laser. WLAN is okay but if the printer doesn't have
wired ethernet, it's not targeted at the right market niche.
HP, Lexmark, Brother
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:11:23 +
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> backseat drivers
Hey Captain Murrica (sic!),
I suggest you get some workout and then target the original source of
your frustration, constructively - instead of (cowardly) dissing 40+yo
script kiddies (yeah, that's me^^). This brings
Steve Litt writes:
As one such back seat driver, allow me to explain. When you've been
both programming and using for a long time, you get a feel for the many
ways something can be done,
...
I stopped here, because I remember what you wrote about Redis recently.
Perhaps you don't have a feel f
Florian Zieboll writes:
I suggest you get some workout and then target the original source of
your frustration, constructively - instead of (cowardly) dissing 40+yo
script kiddies (yeah, that's me^^). This brings definitely more fun and
satisfaction, while providing at least some slight potential
Am 15.03.2018 um 07:10 schrieb KatolaZ:
> just a quick one. If you are using the *netboot* tar.gz or mini.iso
> installer images for ascii, please download the latest available
> version:
>
>
> https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii/main/installer-amd64/current/
> https://pkgmaster.d
k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>> Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without
>> hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to
>> work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings
>> etc) are there any good guides for this?
>
>
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> PostScript is a rather nice language to learn. It's designed to be
> human writeable (human readable when it's machine generated is another
> matter) and fully device independent. And it's stack based - uses RPN
> which I quite like.
Also, after
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:39:17 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 15/03/2018 à 07:22, Steve Litt a écrit :
> >> There are alternatives to communicating through dbus. If two
> >> processes are necessary, a socket or a pipe can do it. If more
> >> structured communication is necessary and you don't
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:08:14 +0100
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner
> :
>
> > which network printers should we buy?
>
> Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when
> it supports a PostScript version >1?
You might pay $1000 ins
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:57:13 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:08:14 +0100
> Florian Zieboll wrote:
>
> > Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when
> > it supports a PostScript version >1?
>
> You might pay $1000 instead of $400, or $2000 instead of $
Quoting Florian Zieboll (f.zieb...@web.de):
> I have a vague recollection, that there are printers and imagesetters,
> that are able to render PDF directly (never was involved in such a
> workflow myself) - but this is probably only true for equipment which
> does PostScript, of which PDF is a dir
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
[PS support]
> You might pay $1000 instead of $400, or $2000 instead of $1000.
One, ISTR you exaggerate.
Two, most of the reasons why PS-supporting printers are slightly (not
greatly) more expensive than non-PS-capable printers reflect being aimed
Let's stir the pot a bit . . .
All of my printers have been HP. Ignorance is bliss . . .
First one was a hand-me-down with a serial connection. Other 2 have
been printer/scanners under $75. All three worked pretty much ootb but
yes, I'm infected with dbus.
I don't print often so the bigges
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 09:29:08AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> Am 14. März 2018 08:45:00 MEZ schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen
> :
> >
> > "Cannot even print"? You make it sound as if printing were a simple task.
>
>
> Printing /is/ a relatively simple task: You create a bitmap from your
> document
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:01:43AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
>
> If you don't like what they did, the code is available to
> you to alter to your liking, or just try lprng.
I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some
programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find
I
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:31:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> > Also, I *thought* all modern printers could understand and render PDF.
> > Was I wrong about that?
>
> Yes, you were. PDF actually _is_ PostScript, just slightly transformed
> and compressed for storage.
Yet when I produce a pdf f
FYI
As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be
covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might
forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of
putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnight or so? That might
be useful.
HND
KatolaZ
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 06:04:48PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:31:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> > > Also, I *thought* all modern printers could understand and render PDF.
> > > Was I wrong about that?
> >
> > Yes, you were. PDF actually _is_ PostScript, just slig
Hendrik:
...
> I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some
> programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find
> I have to print to a file, and then lpr that file. It won't
> go to the printer directly
>
> Of course then I have the abilty to get libreoffice to gene
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:15:08PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Hendrik:
> ...
> > I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some
> > programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find
> > I have to print to a file, and then lpr that file. It won't
> > go to the pri
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:11:03 +0100
From: John Hughes
To: Rick Moen
Subject: Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system
On 15/03/18 21:19, Rick Moen wrote:
> 'Successor' is not quite the right description, IMO. The key
Rick Moen writes on Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:19:50 -0700:
>> ...
>> 'Successor' is not quite the right description, IMO. The key point is
>> that PDF (which, to be sure, was developed later) is bidirectionally
>> equivalent and semantically identical to PostScript. You can convert a
>> .ps file to .
Quoting John Hughes (johh.hug...@calva.com):
> The major advantage of PDF over PostScript is that PDF is not Turing
> complete.
Now that you mention it, I _vaguely_ recall hearing something about
that. I also recall that the Turing-complete nature of PS is why the
GhostScript utilities have a -s
Quoting Nelson H. F. Beebe (be...@math.utah.edu):
> I must rebut those statements.
Edge-case obsess, much? ;->
I'm delighted to have inspired you have disgorged this huge display of
obscure geekery, albeit it was gloriously irrelevant to the antecedent
basic discussion of printers.
> In summa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 04:59:49PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> >> ...
> >> 'Successor' is not quite the right description, IMO. The key point is
> >> that PDF (which, to be sure, was developed later) is bidirectionally
> >> equivalent and semantically identical to PostScript. You can conve
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:14:20 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> TBH, it's normally the opposite (i.e., ps is much larger than it's pdf
> counterpart), but the pdf converter of libreoffice has traditionally
> been a bit quirky, so I wouldn't be surprised at all. You might
> probably want to try pdf2ps and the
Le 16/03/2018 à 00:19, KatolaZ a écrit :
In summary, yes, the transformations PDF-to-PostScript and
PostScript-to-PDF are possible, but while the end results may be
similar, they are by no means identical.
For more on PostScript and PDF, see the extensive bibliography at
http://www.math
KatolaZ writes on Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:19:42 +:
>> my biggest frustration was not being able of finding a way to
>> implement a 2D random walk in postscript that would show a different
>> trajectory every time you open it :D (the only problem there is the
>> seed).
This is getting off the topi
Nelson H. F. Bee:
...
> For more on PostScript and PDF, see the extensive bibliography at
>
> http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/postscri.bib
Thank you for all the references.
> As an example of differences between the two markup languages, look at
> the book in entry Casselman:2005:MIM,
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