Re: [DNG] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2017-09-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/09/2017 à 13:03, Florian Zieboll a écrit : On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:43:34 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: Is it just me, or does ssh-agent interacting with dbus seem like a horrible idea? IIUC, they are only interacting insofar, that the ssh-agent will terminate as soon as (in this case) dbus(-l

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Dave Turner
On 17/09/17 07:50, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:49:28AM +0200, arne wrote: Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. I had a fierce struggle with rc.local and systemd. Took me 24 hours, lots of coffee and pizza, (to abandon rc.local for most part in the end) I am f

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 10:25:04AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: [cut] > > > >It is quite possible that an official safe upgrade path will be > >provided also between Debian stretch and Devuan ASCII, as ASCII > >becomes stable. > > > >HND > > > >KatolaZ > > > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there On 17/09/17 07:49, arne wrote: Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. I had a fierce struggle with rc.local and systemd. Took me 24 hours, lots of coffee and pizza, (to abandon rc.local for most part in the end) I am feeling a pain in my heart if I have to leave d

[DNG] unmet package dependencies

2017-09-17 Thread Lars Noodén
When I try to install the package scdaemon, it wants a different version of gnupg-agent than what is available in the repository. So how should I handle the following error? The following packages have unmet dependencies: scdaemon : Depends: gnupg-agent (= 2.1.18-6) but 2.1.18-8 is to

[DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:50:56AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:49:28AM +0200, arne wrote: > > > > Now the question: I run debian stretch. > > is it hard to switch to devuan or is a new install preferred? > > > > "upgrading" from Debian to Devuan is officially supported so f

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-17 00:49, arne wrote: Now the question: I run debian stretch. is it hard to switch to devuan or is a new install preferred? Sick and tired of systemd, greeting, SP ___ Two people - blap and si\ver_ - recently recently reported doing that

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread .
Hi Arne, I have been using some Debian derivative or another since 2004ish. It's been my companion, if not my source of income, and at times a source of comfort that helped me transcend difficult circumstances. I self-identify as "Average Joe" or "end user" and have no current plans for obtaining

Re: [DNG] unmet package dependencies

2017-09-17 Thread fsmithred
On 09/17/2017 07:45 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: > When I try to install the package scdaemon, it wants a different version > of gnupg-agent than what is available in the repository. > So how should I handle the following error? > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: >scdaemon : Depend

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread fsmithred
On 09/17/2017 08:54 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:50:56AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:49:28AM +0200, arne wrote: >>> >>> Now the question: I run debian stretch. >>> is it hard to switch to devuan or is a new install preferred? >>> >> >> "upgrading" fro

[DNG] firefox autostarts

2017-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm running xfce on Devuan Jessie. When I start xfce, firefox autostarts. This is annoying. I'll start firefox whn I want to see it. I set the "session and startup" setting in firefox to "never". But it keeps getting changed (I presume by firefox) to "If running". This is obnoxious. Is there

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread fsmithred
On 09/17/2017 01:49 PM, fsmithred wrote: > I just did an upgrade from debian stretch to devuan ascii about an hour > ago. It was pretty painless, but I didn't install a lot to begin with. > > - standard system install of debian stretch plus openbox, lxterminal, > lxpanel and a few other packages.

Re: [DNG] firefox autostarts

2017-09-17 Thread fsmithred
On 09/17/2017 02:19 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm running xfce on Devuan Jessie. > > When I start xfce, firefox autostarts. > > This is annoying. I'll start firefox whn I want to see it. > > I set the "session and startup" setting in firefox to "never". > > But it keeps getting changed (I pres

Re: [DNG] rolling release?

2017-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 04:07:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > Just a guess: A rolling-release Devuan wouldn't be especially > > > popular. > > > > Isn't Devuan tes

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread arne
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 08:46:14 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 07:49:28 +0200 > arne wrote: > > > Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. > > Maybe sooner! :-) > > > I had a fierce struggle with rc.local and systemd. > > Took me 24 hours, > > lots

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 01:49:00PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > - standard system install of debian stretch plus openbox, lxterminal, > lxpanel and a few other packages. > - changed sources to devuan ascii, update, add key, update again > - install sysvinit-core, reboot. > - [optional] install live-co

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 17 September 2017 at 21:30:16, Adam Borowski wrote: > With KVM, there's no need for X to run as root. I don't see the connection between these two - are you talking about the virtualisation framework and the graphical windowing environment? Unless I've got my abbreviations screwed up,

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 09:39:02PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 17 September 2017 at 21:30:16, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > With KVM, there's no need for X to run as root. > > I don't see the connection between these two - are you talking about the > virtualisation framework and the grap

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 07:49:28 +0200 arne wrote: > Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. I advise not to wait. Systemd's architecture is so overcomplexified that it takes a highly paid crew of what, six developers, to keep it from blowing up. Would you want a battery like that

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 04:56:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 07:49:28 +0200 > arne wrote: > > > Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. > > I advise not to wait. Systemd's architecture is so overcomplexified > that it takes a highly paid crew of what, six d

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread fsmithred
On 09/17/2017 04:30 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 01:49:00PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: >> - standard system install of debian stretch plus openbox, lxterminal, >> lxpanel and a few other packages. >> - changed sources to devuan ascii, update, add key, update again >> - install sy

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 17 Sep 15:57 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Dennis Thompson and the boys really, really, REALLY should have > specified that every home directory have a subdirectory called etc, and > every and all config that gets done in the home directory get done in > the /home/slitt/etc tree. This would

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread zap
On 09/17/2017 04:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 04:07:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Just a guess: A rolling-release Devuan wouldn't be especially >

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread zap
my bad, I responded to wrong message and it took off before I could stop it... sorry about that. On 09/17/2017 09:08 PM, zap wrote: > On 09/17/2017 04:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:27:19 +0100 >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 04:07:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 07:14:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > As I see it, most of the problem has to do with poorly written software > that doesn't gracefully handle old configurations and little to do with > how those configurations are stored in $HOME. I'll give Thompson a pass > as the pr