On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 04:56:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 07:49:28 +0200 > arne <sp113...@telfort.nl> wrote: > > > Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan. > > I advise not to wait. Systemd's architecture is so overcomplexified > that it takes a highly paid crew of what, six developers, to keep it > from blowing up. Would you want a battery like that in your cellphone? > Would you want an engine like that in your car? Would you want software > like that as the basis of your computer's boot and process handling? > > To the extent that systemd appears to work, that's only because Redhat > spends so much time and resource putting bubblegum in the leaks. I'd > advise to switch immediately to a trustworthy init and a trustworthy > distro. > > [snip frustrating systemd problem] > > > I am feeling a pain in my heart if I have to leave debian. > > You're not leaving Debian: Debian left you. The former bastion of > rock-solid software went to the dark side, and really isn't Debian > anymore. Devuan is the closest you're going to get to having the Debian > you knew and loved before their subjegation by Freedesktop.Org. > > > > > It was my companion for 10 years. > > > > > > Now the question: I run debian stretch. > > is it hard to switch to devuan or is a new install preferred? > > Arne, a bunch of people have answered this question as it relates to > Debian->Devuan. I'm going to answer it as a generality... > > I view a complete, bare-metal-up reinstall as an opportunity. An > opportunity to get back to a known state. An opportunity to eliminate > ghosts of operating systems past. I view it as spring cleaning, and as > such I think one fresh install per year is about perfect, although when > I used Windows and when I used KDE apps, every 6 months was more > appropriate. > > Yeah, it takes a day or more, and you keep getting nailed by "gotchas" > for a couple weeks. It's a process that takes planning and meticulous > backup. But it's a way to keep your computer healthy. > > The following is a partial list of what you must back up:
Make *two* backups of all this, in cse one of them fails. > > * Complete backup, so you can "put it back" if everything goes to hell > > * Backup of MBR, or whatever the equivalent is on the new formats > > * Backup of /etc/fstab and inittab and passwd and group > > * Backup of /etc as a whole (not to be restored en masse) > > * Backup of output of mount command > > * Backup of output (as root) of lsblk -o +UUID,LABEL > > * Backup of output of command to find packages you personally installed > > * Backup of your data (not provided with any software) > > Then go ahead and reformat your disk, add disk space if needed, make > all your partitions, do the install, update/upgrade, install all your > manually installed packages (probably by turning the list into a > shellscript). > > DO NOT just restore your former home directory. One estupido piece of > Unix is the mixing of personal data (stuff you've written or made) with > config options. You want the latest config options, and then change > them to conform with how you like things. You DO NOT want to be > continually bringing forward config files 5 versions old. I always > restore my old home as /home/oldslitt, and then copy files over on an > as needed basis. On config changes, I edit the files in /home/slitt to > incorporate specific features from /home/oldslitt. > > <RANT>Dennis Thompson and the boys really, really, REALLY should have > specified that every home directory have a subdirectory called etc, and > every and all config that gets done in the home directory get done in > the /home/slitt/etc tree. This would have saved a lot of work and > prevented a lot of ghosts of operating systems past, but nooooooo. Wait > right there while I take my time machine back to 1969 and convince > Dennis to do this.</RANT> > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > September 2017 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical > Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition > http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
