On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, Linux O'Beardly wrote:
>The amprolla UPS upgrade has been completed without issue. Here's
>to more stability.
man, many thanks! your solid support is very helpful and reassuring.
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 02:19:50AM -0400, Linux O'Beardly wrote:
> The amprolla UPS upgrade has been completed without issue. Here's to more
> stability.
>
> Take care,
>
Great O'Beardly!
Thanks
KatolaZ
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 00:29:51 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:35:27PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:17:40 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> >
> > > ascii,samba-libs
> >
> > Don't understand why this is on the list, surely this will be built
> > with
On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 03:56 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> On 170710-23:39+0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 14:12 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> > > Hi Svante and everybody!
> > >
> > > (and zap, to whom you right as second person in the email I'm
> > > replying to. zap
> > >
...on Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> There's a point at which this all becomes unstoppable, unless some equally
> well-placed & influential folks start pushing back VERY hard.
That would certainly help, but I also think that it's much more
important that someone
On 10.07.2017 23:10, Steve Litt wrote:
Remember, we're fighting a huge and well funded opponent, possessing
the money to throw at programmers to keep the systemd mess running, as
well as money for publicity to counter common sense with neverending
bulldroppings. Seen in that context, what we've
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote:
> We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we*
> need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the
> crap when neccessary.
>
> And just not caring about that lennartware crap at all. Not even wasting
> time w/ de
On 11.07.2017 13:55, Simon Hobson wrote:
There are (IMO) three things needed : >
1) Have an alternative - ie Devuan.
And there're other non-systemd-Distros out there. Just collaborate with
them and ignore the others. (we could also set up some tiny patch-
sending bots that penetrate nasty ups
On 05.07.2017 23:30, Didier Kryn wrote:
> And there are a whole menagerie of addressing and transfer protocols,
> including chained dma transfers
Especially things like DMA are naturally kernel domain. I wouldn't ever
allow any direct access to dma controllers from userland.
> In our case it
On 7/11/17 7:55 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote:
We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we*
need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the
crap when neccessary.
And just not caring about that lennartware crap at
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote:
>> 3) Explain (in rational, technical, non-political) terms why people should
>> care that there is a choice - and why we think they would be wise to take it.
>
> I wouldn't waste time on that. They have to learn by themselves -
> preaching doesn't help
On 07/11/2017 06:01 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 03:56 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
>> On 170710-23:39+0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 14:12 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
Hi Svante and everybody!
(and zap, to whom you right as second person
gnome 3 is crap, need I say more?
On 07/11/2017 07:39 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
> On 10.07.2017 23:10, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> Remember, we're fighting a huge and well funded opponent, possessing
>> the money to throw at programmers to keep the systemd mess running, as
>> well as
Quote: "gnome 3 is crap"
Nah, Gnome 3 is a The Brand that must be shoved down people's throats.
Systemd, is the 'invisible' 'string puller' that lurks behind the
scenes.
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(Albert Einstein)
If you cannot make abstructions abou
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 14:02:47 +0100, Simon wrote in message
<98028782-f385-412e-aeab-2edf14663...@thehobsons.co.uk>:
> "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote:
>
> >> 3) Explain (in rational, technical, non-political) terms why
> >> people should care that there is a choice - and why we think t
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 02:10:04PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> On 11.07.2017 13:55, Simon Hobson wrote:
>
>
> >3) Explain (in rational, technical, non-political) terms why people
> >should care that there is a choice - and why we think they would be
> >wise to take it.
>
Hi there,
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, KatolaZ wrote:
Please have a look at:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=589
for a list of ways in which everybody can help Devuan. ...
I did that. And I also looked at
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549
and I followed the instructions as far
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 03:41:08PM +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> >Please have a look at:
> >
> > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=589
> >
> >for a list of ways in which everybody can help Devuan. ...
>
> I did that. And I also looked a
On 11.07.2017 15:02, Simon Hobson wrote:
But it clear from reading comments on any article mentioning
> systemd that a great many people really have no idea why
> they should care.
Just pointing out some fundamental problems (especially on bug
or problem reports) and let them learn by own expe
On 170711-09:13-0400, zap wrote:
>
>
> On 07/11/2017 06:01 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 03:56 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> >> On 170710-23:39+0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 14:12 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> Hi Svante and everybody!
>
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 01:39:11PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> And just not caring about that lennartware crap at all. Not even wasting
> time w/ debates about that crap, over and over again. (and yes: that's
> really annying me)
>
> Why do you waste your precious lifetime w/
On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 15:35 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > $ ls -ltr sysvinit-utils_2.88dsf-59.9_amd64.deb \
> > >
> > > This one is not OK, see below. This is the Debian (unpatched
> > > version)
> > > No, the sysvinit packages you need are 2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 and
> > > you ge
Hello again,
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, KatolaZ wrote:
Is the step "go to https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-maintainers";
mentioned in the d1h guide? :)
Ah, I see. Thanks. Well, it sort of is mentioned, yes. :) It says:
" * a working account on git.devuan.org"
and I was trying to find out i
Hello yet again,
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, G.W. Haywood wrote:
... back with more dumb questions presently.
laptop3:/opt/ged/git/devuan/pkg_openvpn/openvpn$ >>> d1h link
g...@git.devuan.org:Ged/openvpn
On branch master
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
nothing to commit, working dir
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:40:43PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> I do have an ongoing interest in, and gratitude for, the progress
> towards robust OpenRC support in Devuan. As it happens, today I
> was spending a while polishing up my 2016 page about converting Debian 8
> 'Jessie' to use either Open
Le 11/07/2017 à 14:30, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit :
On 05.07.2017 23:30, Didier Kryn wrote:
> And there are a whole menagerie of addressing and transfer
protocols, > including chained dma transfers
Especially things like DMA are naturally kernel domain. I wouldn't ever
allow any
On 170711-18:12+0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 15:35 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > $ ls -ltr sysvinit-utils_2.88dsf-59.9_amd64.deb \
> > > >
> > > > This one is not OK, see below. This is the Debian (unpatched
> > > > version)
>
> > > > No, the sysvin
On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 18:03 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> * amd64 desktop. Just compare it yourself: https://angband.pl/tmp/cl
> em/
> -- the samples have been recorded over a jack-to-jack analog cable
> (happens not just with clementine, also with mplayer, mpg123 and
> probably
> everyth
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:40:43PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > I do have an ongoing interest in, and gratitude for, the progress
> > towards robust OpenRC support in Devuan. As it happens, today I
> > was spending a while polishing up my 2016 page a
On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
make it crystal clear: fuck off the
upstream.
Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with
--wi
> I no longer feel like I can
> trust "init"
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577
This is getting scary - last time I remember something along these lines,
something called git seemed to be the end result. And I think git has
taken over the world from emacs!
Am 2017-07-11 20:35, schrieb Dragan FOSS:
Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with
--with-systemd and use the unit file shown in the documentation...
***
https:
> Le 11/07/2017 à 14:30, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit :
> We have two detectors running. On each of them, a sophisticated
> trigger logic decides when interesting data has been seen and triggers
> 400 channels of waveform digitizers (like 400 synchronous oscilloscope
> channels).
My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the userland.
Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a systemd Linux?
Jochen
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On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 17:26 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
>
> > Please provide version 2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2 of sysvinit-utils on
> > your
> > web page. Version 2.88dsf-59.9 is not Devuanized!! And update
> > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128 correspondingly.
> Do I understand correctly
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 05:28:39PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> To be more practical: I'd suggest spinning off a (distro agnostic)
> non-systemd maintenance project. We'll collect repos w/ depotterization
> patches for all packages (and upstream releases) we're interested in.
>
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 23:23:59 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 05:28:39PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT
> consult wrote:
> > To be more practical: I'd suggest spinning off a (distro agnostic)
> > non-systemd maintenance project. We'll collect repos w/
> > depotterization patc
On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 21:36 +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the
> userland.
> Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a systemd Linux?
lendows (tm)
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On 07/11/2017 09:11 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
And what recommends Postgresql for BSD systems? "Don't install it"?
Free unix software should run on ANY unix system, not only Poetteringware.
I never tried on BSD, but on UNIX Pg runs fine :)
https://www.postgresql.org/download/solaris/
Btw...
On 07/11/2017 11:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
lendows (tm)
Not alone.. :)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-windows-10-loves-ubuntu-516922.shtml
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:03:30AM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 07/11/2017 11:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > lendows (tm)
>
> Not alone.. :)
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-windows-10-loves-ubuntu-516922.shtml
Phoning home with all your searches via Unity Lenses, remote ads in e
On 07/11/2017 03:36 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the
> userland. Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a
> systemd Linux?
>
Nah, Gnu/systemd makes more sense if your going down that road...
but I would much prefer keeping
On 07/12/2017 12:12 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
remote ads in etc/motd
rm /etc/update-motd.d/*
:)
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Quoting Joachim Fahrner (j...@fahrner.name):
> My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the
> userland. Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a
> systemd Linux?
'systemd'. ;->
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:23:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 05:28:39PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
> wrote:
> > To be more practical: I'd suggest spinning off a (distro agnostic)
> > non-systemd maintenance project. We'll collect repos w/ depotterization
>
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:35:45 +0200
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
> > make it crystal clear: fuck off the
> > upstream.
>
> Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
> recommends systemd?
> For example, Postgresql?
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:36:29 +0200
Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the
> userland. Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a
> systemd Linux?
Merde
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On 12/07/17 02:35, Dragan FOSS wrote:
On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
make it crystal clear: fuck off the
upstream.
Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer,
Am 2017-07-12 00:00, schrieb Dragan FOSS:
Btw...Linux Is Not UniX ;)
Then replace "unix" in my post with "un*x" ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
Jochen
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